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Justifiable Homicide

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, May 13, 2004.

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  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    What do you consider JUSTIFIABLE?

    Self Defense . .yes
    Defense of others? [Defense of Country]

    I think those are universal . . . .

    What are others . . . IN YOUR OPINION

    [please give you examples before slamming someone else's]

    Rocket River
     
  2. ZRB

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    Self defense or the defense of another can, in some situations justify killing someone; but it shouldn't really be considered homicide in that case.
     
  3. Uncle_Tim

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    Homicide just simply means to take the life of another human. I think murder would've been the better term used there, but I do agree.
     
  4. ZRB

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    Of course, in the technical sense, homicide means "to kill a person." Then why have a word like manslaughter?
     
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    Because that's a different level of killing someone in the eyes of the law. Manslaughter is an unlawful killing. Homicide just means a killing of one person by another.
     
  6. ZRB

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    So is murdering someone and killing them in self defense. Those are two completely different things. Either they all should be considered homicide, or there should be another term for "justifiable homicide."


    I'm really passionate about this. :D
     
  7. Uncle_Tim

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    I believe there are three types: justifiable, negligent, and murder. Murder deserves the death penalty in any case.
     
  8. ZRB

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    The death penalty is state sponsored murder. It's a joke that this country still allows it.
     
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    So we should clog up the prisons with murderers just so they can be released in 10 years. Are you an abortion rights advocate?
     
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    So we should clog up the prisons with murderers just so they can be released in 10 years.

    We have 2 million people in prison. Several hundred on death row. I'm not sure "clogging up prisons" is a real issue for the death penalty.
     
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    That's right. As far as I'm concerned, a fetus is a part of a woman's body until it is born. They have just as much right to terminate a pregnancy as they do to have an amputation performed.


    The death penalty is wrong on every level. Too many innocent people have died, and it has been proven that it doesn't work as a deterrent. Europe is above this. America should be too.
     
  12. Uncle_Tim

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    The US should have stiffer penalties when it comes to breaking the law. Most criminals have been institutionalized. Where else can they get 3 meals a day, cable TV, a warm bed, and a lot sex? 100 years ago cattle rustlers were hung if they were caught. That's just theft. There should be a strong deterence against career criminals. There are over 3,500 inmates on deathrow in 38 states and the federal government. That's too many, in my opinion. We shouldn't have any on death row, but unfortunately people do commit murder and force the state into capital punishment. At the very least there should be under 200 people on death row because they rest should be taken care of quickly. There are interesting statistics about death row, such as the majority of people on death row are white males.
     
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    So it should be legal for a fetus, an innocent human, to be killed but people who have willingly and knowlingly taken the lives of other humans should be allowed to live? How? Where is the justice? Explain how that is at all conceivable. Europe is above what? Europe is full of a bunch of sissies. How can Europe be "above" anything when it was in Europe that the most murders have been committed?
     
  14. Sane

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    To be fair, it's easy to open your mouth about the topic of execution, until it's a family member or a loved one being sentenced to it.

    No mother or father thinks their son/daughter is a bad person at heart, and with very good reason. People essentially have GOOD hearts, so IMO, people deserve a second chance.

    Execution is not the same as murder. Some people deserve to be executed, although it's sad to see.

    Some things are just not accepteable in society, such as a chain murderer's actions, so you might as well cut your losses, kill one person, and let more people leave (if that's how you want to look at it).

    To be quite honest, execution is never a mistake. The crimes that bear execution are never the type that someone can say "my bad, I slipped up". So in the end, it's in a person's own hands not to get executed.
     
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    More importantly, if you punch a pregnant woman in the stomach, killing her "fetus", should you be considered the same as someone who gave someone else a broken arm in a fight?
     
  16. Rocket River

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    What about 'CRIME OF PASSION'?


    Rocket River
    trying to get back on track
     
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    Europe is full of a bunch of sissies
    thanks. All of europe is full of sissies, very intelligent comment:rolleyes:
    i'm against death penalty. WHat if you make a mistake and after the person is killed you suddenly come to the conclusion that he was innocent.
    I know in some casses you're emotion tells you that that person should die. Like with Mark dutreux(i think i miss spelled his name, sorry). but if you kill him you are not better then a murderer.

    I'm glad that abortion and euthanasia are legall in holland. If a person knows that she can't give the child a good life (or the child was conceived during a rape) then the woman should make the choise if she wants her child to be born.

    now to awnser the question Rocket River asked us:
    i think self defense is the only reason when homicide is justifiable. otherwise you are not better then a murderer.
    BUT if somebody murders one of my loved ones (family, girlfriend) or somebody rapes one of them, then i will kill that person, no matter what the penalty will be. Atleast i think i would be that mad. But i do think i should be punnised if i do kill that person. so it is not justifiable.
     
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    Uncle_Tim, your signature speaks volumes about you.
     
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    I think duels should be legal. The fact is that most duels weren't to the death, and most deaths from duels occurred because of poor medical treatment and unsanitary conditions.

    I also understand that even at their height of popularity duels were illegal. I believe that duels to the death should be against the law, but duels to first blood should be allowed.

    From time to time duelling as re-emerged as popular way of settling disputes. In the early 1900's dueling had resurgence in France, and upcoming duels or results of duels were even printed in the papers in Paris.

    It's time for them to come back. If someone accidentally died in a duel there should be a penalty, but not one too severe, at least for the first offense.

    I think it would help instill some honor, civility, and other values that are in short supply these days.
     
  20. JuanValdez

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    RR, good idea for a thread. Too bad it was poisoned almost from the start.
     

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