Josh Childress anyone? I think it's obvious the Rockets big need for an upgrade at the swingman position next to Tmac. We need someone, young, someone athletic and someone that has length. Clearly the Rockets will take a hard look at potential swingmen with their 1st round pick. And they will also look at potential trdades in the offseason. The FA pool doesnt look all that great for 2/3's. Which now brings us to the point of this thread, Atlanta's Josh Childress. Someone from the RealGM Atlanta board brought up an interesting idea. The Hawks have an assortment of swingman but no real PG or low post player. And obviously they will look to the draft to fill these needs. Chances are the Hawks could be in position to fill their C/PF role with the likes of Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah. But with only 1 1st round pick that's all they can do. They might be willing to give up one of their "excess" swingman (Childress) for another 1st round pick, perhaps in turn to take UConn's Marcus Williams. And Williams will probably be around when the Rockets 1st round pick comes up. So the deal. It's simple. The Rockets trade their 1st round pick to the Hawks for Josh Childress. Obviously this is the kind of deal you make on Draft night when the Rockets (and Hawks) see how the draft board unfolds. From the Rockets perspective, if the board unfolds where some of the more "polished" swingman (and Bigs) are off the board at the time the Rockets pick, and the Hawks called and offered Childress for our pick, I would have to think long and hard about making that deal. For those that haven't seen Childress play all that much, and considering he plays for the Hawks I would imagine most haven't seen him play, what Childress brings to the table skillwise is much of what the Rockets are looking for from the swingman position. Here is what the Rockets would be getting 1 - 6'8", 210 swingman. Finally someone with LENGTH at the 2 guard spot and clearly can swing to the 3. 2 - Still a young player as this is only his second season which means he has room to grow and can be part of our "core." 3 - Smart player, went to Stanford. 4 - An Excellant rebounder for a SG even though his frame is slight of build. 5 - Decent ball handler, someone that can bring the ball up, allowing Tmac to roam around free. 6 - A very efficient scorer shooting 55% on the season (because he likes to attack the basket) and surprisingly good at 53% at 3ptrs (up from 23% last season!). He doesnt take a lot of 3s, but is making them. I would imagine he would get even better looks in Houston with Yao and Tmac. 7 - Someone that is willing to mix it up in the lane, someone that is willing to slash to the basket on cuts and someone that can defend the perimeter. Imagine the thought of Tmac at 6'8" and Childress at 6'8" roaming the perimeter. Basically Childress would solve a lot of our SG needs. He is not a "shooter" per se. He is not even a dynamic "3rd scorer." But he finds ways to score. He does a lot of dirty work and does a lot of intangibles. He has the look of a sold "team player." Personally, I would think that taking the above into consideration, that I would really doubt anyone the Rockets could draft at their spot in the lottery would be able to come in and contribute the way Childress can. I know we are a long way off from the Draft, but was curious about everyones thoughts. Obviously it takes two to tango in a trade, but with the Hawks and Rockets needs, this trade seems to make a lot of sense. For those that love to look at numbers, here is a link to Childress' profile page at Yahoo. http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3823 Consider this roster next year PG: Alston / Head / Sura SG: Childress / Bogans / Vspan SF: McGrady / {Jumaine Jones or Rasual Butler (MLE)} PF: Howard / Swift / Hayes C: Yao / Mutombo All of a sudden our team gets a heck of a lot more athletic, more length and more scoring punch. And with the talent additions this team would be better prepared in case they have to play with injuries.
Deuce - I think the excitement of a lottery pick right now doesn't match Childress... but in looking at his numbers, I may be wrong there -- as you said, he's been pretty damn efficient shooting the ball, and he's only 22 years old. Depends on where our pick ends up I guess... I do suspect that JVG is going to want to deal the pick, but just a hunch. On a side note, I still remember watching Jazz games when in Utah and Hot Rod Hundley would mention what college Adam Keefe went to every time -- even during the play-by-play. I bet some people thought Keefe was his middle name and "Outofstanford" was his last name.
I would not do that deal if Shelden, Joaquim, or Thomas is on the board. If they are all gone, then a deal for Childress may be worth a gamble if it included something else, maybe a future pick or another player and the TE or something.
Noah and Thomas will likely be gone by the time Houston picks. This is the weakest draft in years, so I'd be happy to trade this pick. Shelden Williams is not an NBA-caliber PF.
I would swap the pick for Josh Childress for 2 reasons: 1. This is a weak draft. Based on the record, Rox would pick between 7-12, not a good position. 2. CD is extremely weak at picking players after the 5th pick. If CD is still around at the time, the pick is most likely to be a waste. If another GM comes in, the new GM won't have much time in evaluating talents which means the draft is going to be a bust as well. 3. Childress has been in the league for a couple of years. He is not going to make lots of rookie mistakes so that JVG can play him more.
He was chosen as the 6th pick in 2004, so if we traded our 6th or worse pick for a player that was a similar pick in 2004 and that has a track record in the NBA rather than an unknown quantity, I think you have to do it. I think JVG would love the kid because of his Stanford pedigree but his jump shot is really ugly.
I havent seen much of Childress in the NBA, I just know he has a healthy FG%. He does have potential and size. Speaking of potential and size... Remember last year when the Rockets persued Gerald Green? I know he hasnt dont much, most HS guys dont in the their 1st yr, but you would have to think they Rockets are in position to make a deal for the 6-8 Celtics guard. If a guy like that pans out, even 5 years from now then we could be talking dynasty (assuming tmacs back heals). Count me in on taking some kind of risk though. Rockets need to spice things up...
Unless we somehow sneak into the top 5, Noah and Thomas will DEFINITELY be gone by the time we pick. Shelden Williams is a possibility, but I think I'd be more excited about Childress than Williams. It'd be nice to know the player we're getting has proven he can play in the NBA - especially when he's still only 22 years old.
This is a great idea if we are feeling uneasy about our options. If we end up picking in the 11-13 range, there's a strong possibility that every one of our main targets will be gone leaving us to take a chance on a shaky middle-rounder. Instead of taking a chance on a questionable talent you can just trade the pick for a player who has already proven to be able to play on this level. Another idea if all our targets are gone is to offer our higher draft to New Orleans in exchange for both of their picks (currently 15 and 17). Although this is a weak draft, there is always good talent that slips to mid 1st-round plus it would be an opportunity for our scouts to prove their worth by finding any 1st-rounders being overlooked.
Childress is a career backup or mediocre starter. Trade a lottery pick for him if you want, but know that going in.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but this is actually a sensible deal. Considering the amount of crap trade ideas that get thrown around here, this one is definitely worth a thumbs up.
I love to get Childress and be our starting SG....I really think that if we pick a SG in the draft, he would certainly be a backup...what we need is a starting caliber player...maybe we could pakage Stro+our pick for Childress+re-signed Harrington/or picks... With a rookie SG, there will be a lot of adjustments...and this team needs immediate impact with long term effect
I agree, childress is talented but on a crappy team, with that comes a bit of risk. I won't exactly say he's a smart player, but he is a few grades above swift and does know how to use his size (although not so much for blocks). I don't know if he's starter material yet, but we do need guys who have a high shooting percentage when taking few shots. He also kicks ass in nba Street 3. This is not a bad proposal at all.
to me...this is a good deal. And semi-realistic. However, given Childress' quick progress and upside (per Hollinger, he's turned into one of the most underrated and most efficient players in the league), I wonder if the Hawks would even be willing to do this. They'd probably much rather get rid of Josh Smith. In fact, this might depend on what they do with Al Harrington...they may keep him, may trade him, whatever.. ------- Right now for the 2/3 and maybe 4 they have: Josh Smith, Al Harrington, Marvin Williams, Joe Johnson, Josh Childress, Salim Stoudamire (small 2, crappy 1) At the 1 they have no one. At the 4/5 they have Pachulia, and that's pretty much it. Joe Johnson ain't goin nowhere, as big a signing as he was. Marvin Williams HAS to have a chance to pan out before being dealt after they picked him over Chris Paul. If Williams plays the 4 (as many project), that still leaves Harrington, Smith, Childress for the 3... if they deal Harrington and get a 1 or a 5, they'll probably be happy starting Childress and having Smith (and Salim) off the bench. So in the end, yeah, I think they only deal Childress if they don't deal Harrington
How they deal with, or deal, Harrington is paramount to all ATL's other 'summer' decisions (after sorting owner/court issues, of course). If ATL wants in on the Lotto they'd have to give up plenty. So, ... what?
