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Jon Barry vindicates the system.....sort of

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by conquistador#11, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. conquistador#11

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    Full 'interviu' on audio above^^^


    " A big misnomer about adelman is that they're going to be up and down the floor, run and gun, and fast pace. That's not what he does. When I was in sacramento, with rick, we didn't necessarily run... we just had an offense that was precise. It's the princeton offense and it took 3 to 4 years to fully blossom with the kings. You think of the sacramento kings, they didn't have a chuck hayes. I'm not disrespecting chuck... he is a great rebounder and defensive player; but he is a non scorer. Sacramento didn't have non-scorers. It's going to take time."

    I hope my translation was ok, and if this thread has been posted, please annihilate.
     
  2. TeamUSA

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    Chuck is NOT a jumpshooter, nor a 3point shooter, but he can score. Jon, on the other hand, is a pure talker.

    and one good thing about Hayes' offense is he rarely consumes team's ball possession because he can get offensive rebounds, or steals.

    Yao has been running more and has been playing longer times and yet no signs of fatigue in a game. I don't buy Jon Barry's sh2t.
     
  3. durvasa

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    I kind of agree with him. For our offense to really flourish as it did in Sacramento, I think we'll need more versatile offensive players. But Adelman has a potent 2-man punch with T-Mac and Yao unlike what he had back then, so maybe he thinks that offensive versatility at all five positions is less of a priority. Without a doubt, we need to be getting more from those three other guy then we're getting right now. If things continue as they are for much longer, I'm certain Adelman will make a change.
     
  4. Uprising

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    Are you ****ting me?
     
  5. TeamUSA

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    Yes Jon.
     
  6. A_3PO

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    I'm surprised JB seemed so close-minded about Yao's part-time experiment in the high post. It hasn't worked that well so far but I'm willing to give it a while longer. I agree with him about Yao's shooting percentage, which should be more in the 53-54% range instead of 49%.
     
  7. Eddie5ball

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    He makes sense to me. I think he knows what he is talking about.
     
  8. weslinder

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    Corliss Williamson, anyone?
     
  9. durvasa

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    Didn't Jon say he considered JVG to be the best coach he ever had? I guess that explains why isn't so high on how Adelman is using them.
     
  10. A_3PO

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    Chuck can wish he was like Corliss Williamson on offense but he isn't close. Vast chasm of difference in their skills.
     
  11. GATER

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    You're either joking or don't watch much. The ONLY reason Hayes' stats even approach Corliss is that no one freakin' guards him. Williamson averaged 17.7 in his 3rd season.

    At the tail end of his career and in his last 3 seasons with SAC, Williamson still had a postup game and averaged 11.1 points per 25 minutes. Hayes last season averaged 6.4 points for 25 minutes.
     
  12. durvasa

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    I was thinking someone more like Scott Pollard rather than Williamson. He averaged 23 MPG on a 61 win team in 01/02, and he scored 6.4 ppg. Per minute, that's not any different from what Chuck has done his first two seasons, and Pollard benefited from a much faster pace as well.
     
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    Yao's high post shots are actually falling pretty good. His percentage falls when the other team doubles him with a front making him work his butt off to try to get the ball.
     
  14. watashi315

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    Chuck is only an offensive threat when he steps in the paint. That's about it.
     
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    thus he is not an offensive threat
     
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    01/02 Kings had Scott Pollard. But their starters were all averaged double digits in score (2 20+; 3 10+). 01/02 Kings also ran RA's offense smoothly and beautifully, averaging 25+ assists per game.

    These Rockets are too offensively challenged when compared to 01/02 Kings. That's why it's hard for them to carry Chuck Hayes. Rick Adelman should really insert one more scorer into the start lineup beside the big 2. So, the Rockets can start games better and set the tone earlier in games and this will help players who come off bench to have more confidence.
     
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    adelman has to put scola in for 33+ mins now to minimize chuck hayes.

    and he has to go to the smaller line up more: james/tmac/battier/wells/scola.
     
  18. BucMan55

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    I think we'll be seeing Scola inserted into the starting lineup within a few games. Once that happens, we will be getting off to really good starts.
     
  19. studogg

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    I thought Jon was spot on, which really scared me. He kept mentioning how it took the team 2-3 years to pick up the offense, and this Rockets team doesn't have that kind of window.

    I am still reasonably sure that it's opening season jitters/new offensive kinks and that by mid-late season we will be singing Adelman's praises, but if there need to be personnell changes to remedy the system (cough. Rafer. cough), I hope we make them sooner rather than later.
     
  20. hermbob

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    What I don't understand is why the Rockets hired a guy who is saying "it's gonna take time." I have a problem with that logic. It's a cop out.

    This team's ready to win now, and doesn't have 2-3 years to wait for the new offense to start to click. You've taken a team that had the best starting 5 in the league last season, and you're trying to change what they do. If you truly are a "player's coach" I wouldn't think you tinker with a thing. Maybe when you go to your new and improved bench, you try something different, but not if you're

    What JVG did with that starting 5 worked. You don't take away what works...you milk it as long as you can.

    It almost seems similar to Norv Turner in San Diego (obviously that's a bit over-exaggerated but you get the point).
     

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