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John Kerry: John Kerry doesn't have the judgement to be President

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Sep 8, 2004.

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  1. basso

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    "The capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer....The difficulties and tragedies we have faced in Iraq show the administration launched the war in the wrong way, at the wrong time, with inadequate planning, insufficient help, and at the extraordinary cost, so far, of $166 billion."
    -- Howard Dean, December 15, 2003

    "Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe today that we are not safer with his capture, don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president."
    -- John Kerry, December 16, 2003

    "Iraq was the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time."
    -- John Kerry, September 7, 2004
     
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    "I am proud of you. You, John Kerry, are my boy."
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Kerry was wrong in 2003. I'm glad he's seen the error of his ways. Good job Kerry.
     
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    "You know Teddy, if I wore safety goggles, perhaps I wouldn't shoot myself in the foot so often!"
     
  5. CBrownFanClub

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    Ugh. You know, I am 100% behind getting Kerry in office at this point, but this is Kerry's biggest blunder -- basso is totally justified in bringing it up; score one for the anti-Kerry crowd.

    I don't think changing, maturing views at this point are that awful a thing -- the "flip flopping" attack against Kerry is way overdone, not to mention hypocriticial when you compare the "flip flopping" between Candidate Bush and President Bush. Successful politicans in recent years flip flop, what do you want? The ones who don't don't get elected anything, sadly.

    But this particular fog from Kerry is a legit sore point. Pinning him down on Iraq is too hard. Not so much the votes; I can deal with votes more than his words. Was he against the war or not? I mean, i know he would not have done it the same way, but why the hell didn't he say that clearly when it was happenning? Basically, its not that he opposed / supported / whatevered the war that bothers me. It's that Bush rolled Kerry on the war. That's what bothers me. It's endemic to the whole democratic party. Being too chicken to stand up for what they believe, apparently afraid of being called 'weak.' Of course, they actually become weak by being chicken.

    I repeat, compared to Bush's whoring, in context, it's sorta par the course. but i hate it. At least Howard Dean and Joe Leiberman were solid on this: the war sucks, or the war is awesome. I feel like Kerry still can not articulate something about what he has personally thought about the war this whole time. Yes, he thinks the president should have had the authority. No, he does not like how it was handled. But what would he have done differently and why? Other than the fact that he looks like a tree, it's his most conspicuous weakness, I think.

    Still better than Bush for a million reasons, but not by enough to make me that happy. At least Dean and McCain aren't as big opinion-poll-whores as these two focus-grouped tools.
     
  6. Faos

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    You are the king of spin, I'll give you that. :)
     
  7. basso

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    wow! a totally honest, no-spin discussion of a kerry weakness by one of his supporters! i'd...i'd almost given up hope that such a thing were possible. nice job CBFC- my estimation of you has gone up immeasurably. not that i totally agree with your point about bush being an "opinion-poll-w****", but at least i respect your opinion.
     
  8. basso

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    and to return the favor, here's an editorial from today's WSJ, on our mistake in Fallujah. apoint i happen to agree with. it mst be pointed out that Tommy Franks has said recently he didn't think pulling back in fallujah was a mistake.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109459701184911735,00.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks

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    The Price of Fallujah
    September 8, 2004

    Monday's car bombing outside Fallujah, which killed seven American troops and three members of the Iraqi National Guard, is the latest of many blows to the First Marine Expeditionary Force. The 1st MEF has the unenviable task of patrolling the restive al Anbar province west of Baghdad, and we're sorry to report their job appears to have been made all the harder by the hesitancy of their civilian leaders in the White House.

    Following the late-March massacre of four security contractors in Fallujah, the Marines sensibly decided it was time to impose order in the city, which had been largely left alone by the Army division that had previously occupied the area. But after several weeks of hard fighting, and just days from establishing control, the Marines were called to a halt by then Iraq czar Paul Bremer and his bosses at the National Security Council. The city was handed over to a group of local thugs euphemistically called the Fallujah Brigade, who have proven to be feckless or worse, and lately the city appears to have come under the sway of Taliban-like religious authorities.

    We understand the difficultly of the decisions faced by Bremer & Co., who feared that further use of force in Fallujah in April might have pushed that month's unrest beyond a tipping point. But it's also clear that the deal set a terrible precedent. Other Sunni towns like Ramadi and Samarra now appear to be slipping away from the control of legitimate authority, and Fallujah continues to serve as a haven for the terrorists and bomb-makers targeting American forces and Iraqi civilians.

    Monday's attack is a powerful reminder that however much the White House might want to keep Iraq quiet through November, the enemy will have a big say in events as long as they are left a sanctuary. The American people have shown impressive understanding of casualties as part of efforts aimed at victory in Iraq, but they are less likely to be tolerant of losses incurred in a holding pattern.
     
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    now if you neo conscould only follow suit,but I doubt that would ever happen. you guys would blindly follow shrub off a cliff if he said it was good for the war on terror and the american way of life. just keep on throwing s**t to see what sticks. I mean that is what you guys are really good at anyway.:rolleyes:
     
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    Wow. Thanks for that thought provoking and profound response. Great contribution.

    :rolleyes:
     
  11. MadMax

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    wow...was this uncalled for or what??

    it's entirely possible you're taking this BBS way too seriously.
     
  12. Rocket Fan

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    so kerry admits the world is safer because of the war.. interesting..
     
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    thank you:rolleyes: ;)
     
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    Couldn't agree more, and some of the reasons I didn't vote for him in the Democratic primary in Texas. That, and the fact that he does resemble a tree. And as irritating as Kerry is, I still agree with this part of your post as well, "Still better than Bush for a million reasons, but not by enough to make me that happy."

    Kerry is still better than Bush by a long shot, and will be a much better President. The sad thing is, the Democratic Party could have done better. (although I wouldn't have voted for Leiberman in a million years... unless the choice was between him and Bush. Then it's easy. Bush is incompetent and dangerous)
     
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    Never mind that Kerry has no core values. It's nuance.....right? Right...:rolleyes:
     
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    try reading the post directly preceeding yours before you roll your eyes...
     
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    Bush is simplistic and decisive. You need more from a president.

    If it wasn't for 9/11 and the understandable rallying around the flag he would lose in a landslide. No accomplishments unless you claim invading the half assed country of Afghanistan to try to arrest Bin Laden that any president would have done. The invasion and occupation of Iraq is questionable at best. Recent polls show that a majority of Texans think that this made us less safe from terrorism. What other justification could their be.


    Unless you want to be a swift boat ideolgue you know that the big old USA will be protected by either guy. Please tell me what accomplishments of Bush other than sending troops overseas merit reelection. This has been asked and never seriously attempted by his backers.
     
  18. basso

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    so Kerry says the war in iraq is not part of the war on terror. then he says the 1,000 americans who died in iraq died in the war on terror. so, are the soldiers who died there fighting "the wrong war, at the wrong time, in the wrong place", but they then become martyrs to the WOT when they die?

    do they get 72 bottles of ketchup when they get to heaven?
     
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    I have been critical of kerry's stance on Iraq. It's tangled confused and not strong enough in a direction contrary to that of Bush. Like I said I disagreed with his stance in 2003. I agree with what he's saying now about it.
     
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    Kerry is man enough to admit a mistake, and he's called a "flip-flopper." Bush keeps feeding Americans into the Iraqi woodchipper, and he's hailed for his decisiveness. Amazing.
     

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