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John Kerry Distorts the Economy's Performance for Political Gain

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Apr 13, 2004.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    John Forbes Kerry has really done it this time. He has mangled a previously sound economic index and turned it into his latest attack on hard-working Americans. John Forbes Kerry, the man who has not worked a day in his life as a middle class American, is now championing this flawed, pessimistic index which only highlights the weak spots in the American economy – an economy that is growing at a record pace. The true misery index (inflation + unemployment rate) has performed quite well under Bush, but of course Hanoi Kerry chooses to ignore that little tidbit, instead choosing to display his latest concoction of economic pessimism. It is the height of hypocrisy for John Forbes Kerry to make any remark whatsoever regarding the price of gasoline. This is, after all, the man who supported higher gas taxes ELEVEN times in his political career. What are John Forbes Kerry’s suggestions to improve the (already robust) economy?

    - Raise the tax burden on working Americans
    - Strangle the economy with regulations and bureaucratic red-tape
    - Raise protectionist and isolationist walls around the economy and stymie free trade

    Why does Hanoi Kerry want to talk down our economy? Why does he cheer failure of Americans in their economic endeavors? This man will do anything to distort and smear the work of Americans. This is the liberals’ game: Have no faith in Americans. Discourage their efforts. Trample their successes. Emphasize the negative. Root for failure at every turn.


    Wall Street Journal
    Misery Loves Company

    April 13, 2004; Page A20

    As John Kerry showed yesterday, there is a way to make lemons out of lemonade: Mine government statistics to show that, all evidence of prosperity to the contrary, the country is actually going to hell in a hand basket. Voila -- the Kerry campaign's new "misery index," which allows the Democratic presidential challenger to paint George W. Bush as the reincarnation of Herbert Hoover.

    The original misery index -- the sum of the unemployment and inflation rates -- leapt into the public consciousness when candidate Jimmy Carter attacked President Gerald Ford's record back in 1976. Back then the index was stuck at 13.5. Over Mr. Carter's White House tenure the country only suffered more, as the index shot up to 20.6. For the record, it's now at a historically low level of 7.7, eight points below when Bill Clinton sought a second term in 1996.

    Mr. Kerry's new misery index purports to tell a different story, and would have us believe that the middle-class way of life is profoundly threatened. Of the seven components, three are based on the price of goods and services that have been rising far faster than inflation: college tuition, health care and gasoline.

    While these trends are worthy of discussion by themselves, they don't tell us much about the ability of a middle-class family to make ends meet. That's why statisticians use a basket of goods and services weighted according to the expenses of real households in order to calculate the inflation rate. No doubt Mr. Kerry's college audiences this week will be pleased by his pledges to hold down tuitions. But they might also consider whether his cherry picking of figures to get his desired answer would pass muster in their classrooms.

    Credit should be given where it is due, though, when it comes to gasoline prices. Sure, some of Mr. Kerry's answers to this problem are uninspiring -- "work more effectively to ensure that OPEC increases production." And the suggestion that the Bush Administration's collusion with oil companies at the expense of conservation has somehow driven up gas prices is nonsensical. Nevertheless, it's encouraging that in recent days Mr. Kerry seems to have realized that excessive regulation in the form of "the patchwork of rules on gas all over this country" has driven up costs.

    There are more serious problems with two other components of the Kerry misery index. Median family income and private-sector job growth both depend on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics measuring employment last year. This is tabulated largely on the basis of large companies' payrolls, since the government has a tough time tracking the self-employed and new jobs at small firms.

    In the past this was not such a problem but as the economy evolved it has become a major distortion; by one measure these difficult-to-count jobs accounted for 31% of employment growth since the end of the last recession. In an attempt to compensate, the BLS uses states' unemployment-insurance rolls, but because of a time lag economist Brian Wesbury estimates that the government low-balled job growth for the second half of 2003 by 734,000.

    But the best proof that the Kerry index doesn't reflect reality is the way it distorts history. By his measure, the Carter years supposedly saw a six-point improvement in the misery index, while under Ronald Reagan the U.S. fell back almost as far. Does anybody else remember it that way?

    The most interesting question about Mr. Kerry's misery index is how faithfully it will be updated. As unemployment continues to fall and real incomes rise, will Mr. Kerry stop mourning the demise of the middle class? Since misery loves company, perhaps that's too much to hope.
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Welcome back -- we missed the humor. And we all hope "rope-a-dope" works better for your long term neurological health than it did a certain boxer.

    But "(Politician) distorts (topic) for political gain" is hardly news, and it is not unique to any certain politician. The absence of distortion would actually be the newsworthy report.

    On the topic of Kerry, however, he has not yet promoted a distortion that has led to the death of American troops. In fact, he has physically and literally saved American troops with his own hands.
     
  3. GreenVegan76

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    The three million Americans who lost their jobs under Bush would disagree.
     
  4. gifford1967

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    I'm reeling. TJ lulled me into a false sense of security with his absence and now I am cowering under his blistering rhetoric and logic.
     
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    Sweet, you are back! My days just haven't been complete without the comic relief your posts provide. Don't ever scare us like that again!
     
  6. basso

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    if kerry's elected, it'll be "happy (stagflation) days are here again!" who would've thunk it, a modern democratic politician harkening back, not to FDR, Truman, JFK the 1st, or even WJC, but to the iran-hostage crisis, american-malaise, lust-in-my-heart era of jimmy carter. makes me wanna dust of my bell-bottoms ('scuse me, "boot-cut!) jeans and my platform shoes and fire up some styx on the 8-track!
     
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    kerry-nomics: Welcome to the Grand Illusion!
     
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    LATEST BUSH LIE: HE CITES REPORT THAT DOESN'T EXIST "There was only one problem with President George W. Bush's claim Thursday that the nation's top economists forecast substantial economic growth if Congress passed the president's tax cut: The forecast with that conclusion doesn't exist.Bush and White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer went out of their way Thursday to cite a new survey by "Blue-Chip economists" that the economy would grow 3.3 percent this year if the president's tax cut proposal becomes law. That was news to the editor who assembles the economic forecast. "I don't know what he was citing," said Randell E. Moore, editor of the monthly Blue Chip Economic Forecast, a newsletter that surveys 53 of the nation's top economists each month. "I was a little upset," said Moore, who said he complained to the White House. 'It sounded like the Blue Chip Economic Forecast had endorsed the president's plan. That's simply not the case.'"
     
  10. twhy77

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    What the heck happened to the D & D whilst I was away. This thread is a disaster!

    Now, I know T_J can be a bit hard to argue with at times but no one is addressing the topic! Are we all so sick of these arguments that go no where that we don't even speak rationally about things anymore? Come'on guys someone address the topic. GV kind of did but I knd of think most presidents have people lose three million jobs when they are in office...that number needs investigation in my mind...how many jobs were plain firings, how many were cutbacks...etc. etc.

    Anyway, I used to get information from this place and now its just a shouting match...
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    Why should anyone address the topic when it's infused with a bunch of liberal bashing? Maybe someone would take it seriously were it not.
     
  12. basso

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    were that to be the case, then one would have to expect reciprocity from the left, and i think the D&D couldn't exist w/out W to demonize.
     
  13. B-Bob

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    twhy77,
    I'm serious. I was not trying to bash T_J or skirt any topic. And I am genuinely worried about the health consequences of "rope-a-dope" (TJ declared this) for him and Ali both.

    Anyway, the topic is, literally: a politician employed some degree of political spin that a politically slanted poster does not like, so a politically slanted article is posted here. Instead of a bunch of predictable politically slanted replies, some posters are having a bit of fun.

    What am I missing? This is the essence: a thread like thousands before it and, I presume, after it from both "sides" of the fence.
     
  14. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Many of you may wonder why John Forbes Kerry has selectively excluded the real components of the “Misery Index” from his latest political grandstanding and distortion campaign. It’s simple, really. The original components of the Misery Index are the inflation rate and the unemployment rate. Measured by these two components, the economy is quite strong.

    Inflation Rate: The inflation rate is currently near HISTORIC LOWS. For the 12 months ended in February, prices rose only 1.7%. This is TINY. Sorry John Forbes Kerry, but you get a big SWING AND A MISS for inflation.

    Unemployment Rate: Around here we all know that the unemployment rate is a lagging indicator of the economy and will almost certainly decline due to record economic growth in the second half of 2003. We also know that the tragic attacks on America on 9-11 and the bursting of the speculative late 90’s technology bubble have dramatically skewed the job loss figures. What many liberals don’t know, or possibly don’t care to know, is that the unemployment rate for March was 5.7%. This rate is lower than it's been in all but 20 of the previous 56 years on record. What they don’t want to know is that the economy has experienced 7 consecutive months of job growth, and last month showed the strongest gain in payrolls since April 2000 (the height of the stock market boom). The current unemployment rate is beneath the average for the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s. Why do the liberals paint such an ugly jobs picture? Why are the over 650,000 jobs created in these 7 months not included in the liberals’ assessment of the economic situation? Political motivations, of course. Pessimism is their M.O. They want the American worker to feel bad about the economy. They want consumer confidence low. They want failure. Sorry John Forbes Kerry, but you get a big SWING AND A MISS for unemployment rate.

    So now you see how John Forbes Kerry selectively attacks Americans’ work ethic and labor talents in a malicious manner. You see how he twists facts, ignores facts, and promotes negativity. This is a man who made his name by complaining about the efforts of our troops in Vietnam, and complaining about our military’s leadership. He has a history of highlighting failures and everything negative. He twists positives into negatives. As you can see, not much has changed.
     
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    Hey! Cool. With only minor editing by yours truly, T_J has united us all in a concluding remark on which we can all agree. May as well lock the thread. The work here is done.
     
  16. twhy77

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    And I understand that to an extent...

    There's not as much quality posting going on here is the point I'm going for. Not like this post really helps.
     
  17. Rocketman95

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    I pretty much agree with you.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Sizzle Chest,
    I eagerly await your economic rebuttal to my content-filled posts. You are on the clock. Should you choose to not respond, you will have your nickname of Sizzle Chest *permanently revoked* and a new name shall be given to you. You will not like this name as much.
     
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    SQUAWK! Lagging indicator! SQUAWK! Lagging indicator!


    Three years later, we're still waiting on this "lagging" indicator.
     
  20. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    It's true that I must finish yet another masterpiece research paper, but I'm not "on the clock" for you or this tedious thread. I have completely defined the merit of this thread. Spin about the spin used against spin is just not very interesting, unless you live inside the beltway in DC.

    Name me whatever you like. Further infantile rhetoric on your part cannot hurt your remnant standing -- you have at least that going for you. I will continue to use your moniker in any case, or the respectful and logical shortened form: T_J.
     

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