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John Forbes Kerry Refuses to Release Military Records

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Apr 20, 2004.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    What is this man hiding? Clark released them. Bush released them. But in typical elitist fashion, Forbes Kerry can't release them. Nope! No sir, you can't see them. Nevermind that little conversation I had on national televsion on Sunday. You can't see them! Something is veeeeerrryyy fishy here... Might be some skeletons in that little ol' closet of his!

    Kerry refuses to release more records
    By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | April 20, 2004
    Boston Globe

    WASHINGTON -- The day after John F. Kerry said he would make all of his military records available for inspection at his campaign headquarters, a spokesman said the senator would not release any new documents, leaving undisclosed many of Kerry's evaluations by his Navy commanding officers, some medical records, and possibly other material.

    Kerry, in an interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press," was asked whether he would follow President Bush's example and release all of his military records. "I have," Kerry said. "I've shown them -- they're available for you to come and look at." He added that "people can come and see them at headquarters."

    But when a reporter showed up yesterday morning to review the documents, the campaign staff declined, saying all requests must go through the press spokesman, Michael Meehan. Late yesterday, Meehan said the only records available would be those already released to this newspaper.

    "He is releasing all military records he has released to The Boston Globe," Meehan said in a telephone interview. In a follow-up e-mail, Meehan said it was those particular records to which Kerry was referring on "Meet the Press."

    Kerry has not released the formal evaluations from superior officers, although his campaign has given a letter from a commanding officer that recommended him for service aboard Navy patrol boats and also reports for the Silver and Bronze stars that laud Kerry's actions in combat. By comparison, retired Army General Wesley K. Clark released hundreds of pages of his records during the Democratic primary campaign, including all evaluations of him by his superiors.

    Bush earlier this year released 300 pages of documents after media outlets raised new questions about the extent of his National Guard service. Those records, which Bush promised during a Feb. 8 appearance on "Meet the Press" to make available, included many military evaluations and medical records.

    White House communications director Dan Bartlett, in a telephone interview, contrasted Bush's action with that of Kerry's. "The president made a pledge before the American people, and he made his complete file available to the media and the public," Bartlett said. "They were able to review all of his medical records, and we fully released the remainder of his military files, including evaluations and performance sheets as well as days served. The president lived up to his commitment he made to the public, and we should expect the same from his opponent."

    The question about Kerry's military records came up when Tim Russert, the moderator of "Meet The Press," asked the Massachusetts senator about a story in the Globe last week that quoted Kerry's former commanding officer, Lieutenant Commander Grant Hibbard, as saying that he raised questions about Kerry's first Purple Heart. Hibbard said that he had heard from others in the office that there were questions about whether Kerry and his crew took enemy fire, and Hibbard observed that Kerry's wound was minor, resembling a fingernail scrape. Purple Heart regulations say nothing about the severity of the wound. The campaign earlier this year showed the Globe a record verifying that Kerry was treated for the wound and that shrapnel was removed. That document was cited in last week's story, which was based on the forthcoming book, "John F. Kerry: The Complete Biography," written by a team of Globe reporters.

    Meehan said yesterday that the campaign would show that document to what he called "legitimate" news organizations. He said other records previously shared with the Globe -- including documents describing Kerry's actions when he was awarded the Silver and Bronze stars -- would be shared with other reporters. Asked whether Kerry would release his evaluations, as Clark did during the primaries, Meehan responded: "We don't have Wesley Clark's evaluations." Asked directly whether Kerry would release all of his own evaluations, Meehan repeated that the campaign would release only the records already made available.

    Meehan similarly said no new records would be released when asked if the campaign would make public other medical records besides the one related to the first Purple Heart.

    Michael Kranish can be reached at kranish@globe.com
     
  2. kpsta

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    Looks like someone's finally had a visit from the Fiber Fairy.
     
  3. bnb

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    Goin' Fishing...

    It's almost comedic this speculation that Kerry wasn't sufficiently wounded to deserve a Purple Heart and subsequent discharge. Considering that none of Bush, Cheney, or Clinton served active duty...

    Performance evaluations and medical reports from 30 years ago???

    I posted my disagreement about not releasing his immediate family's tax information -- information that could be relivant.

    This is just silly.
     
  4. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    You would think that Forbes Kerry would *jump* at the chance to boast of his military accomplishments. What is he hiding? What good reason does he have for not releasing his records? He called on Bush to do so, and Bush did....yet Forbes Kerry won't?

    That's funny, the liberals seemed to be eager to see Bush's 30 year old records...

    Yes, the tax information is also horrible and a slap in the face to voters across this great nation. What was Forbes Kerry saying about "the most secretive administration ever'.... Huh.

    America needs a steady hand, in this war time. Forbes Kerry has proven repeatedly that he is not a man of principle and a flip flopper.
     
  5. Rocket Fan

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    bnb. I dont know because I wasn't there, but it seems kind of interesting that from that article it appears as if his commanding officer questions his purple heart and I couldn't really tell who they meant questions if he actually took fire from the other side? I respect anyone that got injured for our country whether I like them or not.. that just caught my attention...

    It is general procedure for any injury to get you one though isn't it? Or do people decline them? My question is for anyone who knows ... how do they normally give them out.. to anyone who had an injury at any point or is there some kind of procedure of officers recommending you for one or what..

    I'm not going to question Kerry, I just would like to know if it is normal procedure for small injuries such as those described to get a purple heart.. now I'm curious to see the medical records.

    I don't think it really matters about bush , clinton, etc because none of them talk of purple hearts.. If that is going to be part of his "accomplishments" and there are commanding officers who questioned it.. it makes me curious to know more about it
     
  6. Rocket Fan

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    I respect Kerry and anyone who has fought for our country. I respect Bush too because he was in the reserves. That is an important thing.. a lot of people in Iraq now were in the reserves.. so you can't deny that reserves are important.


    I just want to know.. if his military record is so great etc like it seems to be.. Why not release the records?
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    That's a very very good question. Why won't Forbes Kerry release them? Is there some deep dark secret that he doesn't want let out?

    It's also a good point about respecting the Reserves. Far too many liberals look down upon good, honorable service in the Reserves. We should be proud of all of our troops, not just some of them. The Reserves are a vital part of our nation's defense.
     
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    Name one statement made by a liberal that reflects this point of view.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

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    He can't, it is just one of his leash holders talking points.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Chump, there have been numerous instances of liberals ridiculing Bush's service in the Texas Air Guard. These liberals imply that serving America at home is less honorable that serving overseas.

    I can specifically recall RocketmanTex making references to Bush "patrolling the skies of Texas" while others were in Vietnam. This type of reference is really representative of an entire mindset for many of the most rabid liberals. Don't say you don't know anything about it. You certainly do. Guard service is honorable service, no matter what the liberals say. Period.
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    Find it and post it before you start putting words in my mouth.

    Thanks.
     
  12. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    So you are not denying it? I knew you wouldn't.

    Without the search function, finding your quote would take hours. Time is money.
     
  13. Rocket Fan

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    trader..I agree... it bothers me to see the bashing of the reserves that goes on. I think the current ones will remember it when they go to vote. Not everyone is needed to fight on the actual war front, those who join the reserves and train so that when they are needed they will go are very important. Are the current soldiers in Iraq that were originally reserves not as important because they joined as reserves? Whether or not they end up fighting shouldn't be the big deal as far as reserves go. Bush was a reserve and was not called upon to go to the war, they were reserves and happened to be called upon. Does it make them "better" people than Bush because they happened to have gotten called up from the reserves? Maybe someone should tell the ones that don't get called up that "a lot of people don't consider you as real military people"..


    A man with purple hearts should be proud. If I had them I'd be glad to tell anyone about them. I'd be glad to release the evaluations. If you have purple hearts and all you'd think the evaluations would be praising ones. He has all these purple hearts.. We all assume his military record is great.

    Just release them. they can't be too bad.. you are a hero.. you have purple hearts etc...

    From an objective point of view.. people on here were tearing bush apart about releasing documents etc.. People were all over Bush... get upset with Kerry if you are going to complain about bush concerning releasing documents
     
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    the key term is "honorable service"

    Liberals blasting Bush for his guard service blast him on the HONORABLE part, in that he did not serve honorably in their view

    I know this must be hard for you to grasp, but blasting an individual who at the very least, had his flight status revolked for not taking his drug tests, is not the same as blasting ALL MEMBERS OF THE GUARD AND CALLING ALL THEIR SERVICE DISHONORABLE.
     
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    In all honesty I recall several of these quotes but to be fair I think they were just knee jerk reactions to a much bigger disliking for the president rather than a hatred of the National Guard. They certainly were made though.
     
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    "I may have been AWOL for a year! But you can't prove it!"
     
  17. RocketMan Tex

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    So, time is money, and you can't search for the quote, yet you freely use your "time/money" to post things on this BBS that you attribute to me without any proof whatsoever????????

    T_J, you are sad. Very, very sad.

    Next.
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    The military records *released* by Bush contradict this view. The United States Military disagrees with your assessment and the liberals' assessment, Chump.

    ....next...
     
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    TJ has a point. The liberals, through their bashing of Bush's guard service, have acted as if the reserves are some kind of second-class outfit when nothing could be farther from the truth. In their sad attempt to pin anything on Bush to cover up their candidate's lack of any sort of substance, they have tarred a fine group of Americans. I served in the USMC reserves for five years after 10 years of active duty while I was in college and lemme tell, they are Marines no different than the ones I served with on active duty.

    link
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Of course they were made. That's why RocketmanTex isn't denying it.
     

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