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Joe Wilson Destroys Obama's Foreign Policy Credentials

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, May 5, 2008.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Damaging piece. Very damaging piece. But right on the mark. This stings. Bad.

    Legitimate questions of judgment, experience
    Joseph C. Wilson IV
    SANTA FE, N.M. - In recent weeks Americans have been subjected to a litany of outrageous statements from Sen. Barack Obama's pastor of 20 years, Rev. Jeremiah Wright. While Obama was finally compelled to distance himself from his radical preacher, the relationship raises legitimate questions about Obama's judgment and naivete.
    Obama, after all, wants to be president of the United States, and in that quest has proposed unconditional summit meetings with some of our country's most determined enemies, including Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    Obama's campaign has been built upon his supposed transcendent qualities and intuitive judgment. His foreign policy experience is limited to having lived in Indonesia between the ages of 6 and 10, and having traveled overseas briefly as a college student. He further claims that a speech he gave against the war in Iraq six years ago to extremely liberal supporters in a campaign for state senator in Illinois is sufficient proof of his superior judgment in national security matters and qualifies him to be president and commander-in-chief of U.S. Armed Forces at a time when we are fighting two extraordinarily difficult wars. As with his relationship with Wright, a closer examination is warranted.

    In the U.S. Senate, to which he was elected in 2004, a year after the launching of Operation Iraqi Freedom, he has done little to act on his asserted anti-war position, and has said repeatedly that had he been in the Senate at the time of the vote on the authorization for the use of military force he doesn't know how he would have voted. As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Europe, with jurisdiction over NATO, he has held not a single oversight meeting because, as he admitted, he was too busy running for president, even though NATO's presence in the Afghanistan war is critical to success in that venture.

    Obama repeats the incorrect and politically irresponsible mantra that Sen. Hillary Clinton voted for the war and that therefore he is more qualified to be president. Unlike Obama, as the last acting U.S. ambassador to Iraq during the first Gulf War, I was deeply involved in that debate from the beginning.

    President Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell made it clear publicly and in their representations to Congress that the authorization was not to go to war but rather to give the president the leverage he needed to go to the United Nations to reinvigorate international will to contain and disarm Saddam Hussein, consistent with the resolutions passed at the time of the first Gulf War.

    With passage of the resolution, the president did in fact achieve a U.N. consensus, and inspectors returned to Iraq. Hans Blix, the chief U.N. inspector, has said repeatedly that without American leadership there would have been no new inspection regime.

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    SADDAM WAS A SERIAL VIOLATOR OF HUMAN RIGHTS, had started two wars in the region in the previous decade, continued to threaten his neighbors, including Israel, which he once said he would destroy with weapons of mass destruction. We may not have fully understood how little remained of his WMD arsenal, but were we really willing in the aftermath of 9/11 to give him a free pass, as Obama's rewriting of history suggests he might have done?

    The approach of tough diplomacy backed by the threat of military action was the correct one and it yielded exactly the desired results, a unanimously passed U.N. resolution and the capitulation of Saddam when he readmitted the inspectors.

    The betrayal occurred not when the president was given the tools he needed to secure international support for inspections, but rather when Bush refused to allow the inspectors to complete their work and decided preemptively to invade, conquer and occupy Iraq.

    That decision and power was his alone -- not the Congress' and certainly not Hillary Clinton's. Obama is wrong to turn Bush's war into Clinton's responsibility. And Obama is dangerously naive in failing to understand the need in international crises to blend tough diplomacy with the other foreign policy tools at our disposal to achieve a strong national security posture.

    Judgment and leadership in foreign policy are not intuitive. They are learned through experience. Obama's long and close relationship with the anti-American hate-monger Wright, his inattention to his responsibilities in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and his careless approach to Iraq all suggest that he would benefit from more experience. We should ask whether we want those lessons to be learned in the White House.

    (Joseph C. Wilson IV is a former diplomat and U.S. ambassador. He was senior director for African Affairs in the Clinton administration. In 2003 he wrote a New York Times opinion piece, "What I didn't find in Africa," challenging the Bush administration's use of intelligence to justify the war in Iraq.)

    http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/columns/story/1060220.html

    OH SNIZZAP
     
  2. pirc1

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    Did Kennedy have much foreign policy experience before he took the office? I honestly do not know, so someone please give me some input here.
     
  3. DonnyMost

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    Has anyone who has run for President been able to do their job in the history of this country?

    I kind of doubt it.

    Hillary and McCain similarly probably haven't done doodle this campaign season, and its a pretty accepted norm.
     
  4. pgabriel

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    this "sting" says nothing new
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    The difference is that McCain has plenty of experience prior to this Senate term. Obama has none, other than his studies at a Muslim school in Indonesia. How arrogant he must be to think he is even remotely qualified to run for President. He hasn't even completed his FRESHMAN SEASON. Now is not the time for on the job training. Seriously.
     
  6. leroy

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    Fixed

    I know. If you keep telling yourself a lie, you might eventually believe it's true.

    I'm can't argue the lack of actual foreign policy experience. It's not like this is a new thing, though. So Joe Wilson is a Clinton supporter. Good for him. I'm fairly certain that he just wrote an article stating things that we all knew.
     
  7. Dubious

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    How much *****in' up constitues experience? I mean, if you just keep doing the same wrong thing a lot, is that experience or insanity?
     
  8. robbie380

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    who was our last "qualified" president? george h. w. bush? for that matter how many "qualified" presidents have there been in the 20th century?
     
  9. Deckard

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    Yes, he had far more foreign policy experience than Barack Obama and, arguably (certainly in my opinion), Hillary Clinton. Jack Kennedy's major at Harvard was foreign policy. His senior thesis was While England Slept, about the failure of Great Britain to prevent and not adequately prepare for war with Hitler and Germany, which was later published. Kennedy's father was a diplomat and Jack traveled extensively. In WWII, he served in the Pacific and saw combat, as most people know (there was even a movie. I remember when it came out. Cliff Robertson played Jack?). Kennedy was in the Senate and Congress for 14 years. The guy attempted to get the VP slot in 1956 and got serious consideration. He wrote Profiles in Courage, which won a Pulitzer Prize. The book was about 8 senators in US history who made a difference and examined senators from several political parties (there have been more than two, believe it or not).




    Impeach Bush.
     
  10. Dubious

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    I wish Presidential candidates had to assemble prospective cabinets prior to their elections. It's not a one man job. You have to elect Presidents on their general philosophy and your estimation of their judgemnt to hire good employees.

    George W. was as green as grass but he held Cheney up as his 'experience', oddly, Cheney could never have been elected on his own merits. Most of his other top appointments were, uh, troubled. So i don't think a green Obama can do worse.

    There are lots of good people Obama can go to for foreign affairs experience
    and to be his Secretary of State. I'm not worried the world will devolve to chaos with out the Darkside in control.
     
  11. pirc1

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    Thanks for the input.

     
  12. bigtexxx

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    Barack just doesn't have any kind of resume at all. He's nothing more than a catch-phrase and different looking than the usual presidential candidate.
     
  13. Deckard

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    My pleasure. You can probably tell that I'm a fan of Jack Kennedy. I could have been more verbose with my answer. You're lucky I was reserved! ;)




    Trim Bush.
     
  14. FranchiseBlade

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    Of course Obama does have more foreign policy experience than Ronald Reagan had.

    The fact is that part of foreign policy may be experience, but part of it is also about judgment, the ability to be diplomatic, keeping things calm in a crisis, and intelligence, and seeing things from different perspectives.

    Experience is definitely lacking from Obama's resume, but the rest of it more than makes up for this IMHO
     
  15. JayZ750

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    that's the point, and the reason why his supporters support him. it's okay if you're uncomfortable with that, but as has been mentioned in this thread already, these are all things that are known about Obama.
     
  16. bigtexxx

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    Obama's judgment is abysmal. Anybody who aligns himself with Jeremiah Wright for 20 years and gets sweetheart deals from a guy like Tony Rezko does not exhibit good judgment.
     
  17. mc mark

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    So now you cats want to listen to Joe Wilson? I thought he was a libpig traitor?

    *snicker*
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Obama never once aligned himself with Wright's political statements. Please stick to the facts.

    Of course all of this is far better than McCain's flip flops. There is no way to tell where John McCain stands. He clearly doesn't understand any of the distinctions between Muslim groups in the middle east, has changed his mind about torture, taxes, fundamentalist right wingers, etc.
     
  19. El_Conquistador

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    I'd say taking your family to learn from Revered Wright for 20 years, having him preside over the baptism of your children and your own wedding would be ALIGNING himself with Wright. In. Every. Sense. of. the. Word.
     
  20. justtxyank

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    Quoted for humor.
     

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