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[Joe Klein] McCain has lost all honor

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  1. mc mark

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    Joe Klein slams McCain's latest sleazy ad

    Apology Not Accepted

    Posted by Joe Klein | Comments (74) | Permalink | Trackbacks (0) | Email This

    Back in 2000, after John McCain lost his mostly honorable campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, he went about apologizing to journalists--including me--for his most obvious mis-step: his support for keeping the confederate flag on the state house.

    Now he is responsible for one of the sleaziest ads I've ever seen in presidential politics, so sleazy that I won't abet its spread by linking to it, but here's the McClatchy fact check.

    I just can't wait for the moment when John McCain--contrite and suddenly honorable again in victory or defeat--talks about how things got a little out of control in the passion of the moment. Talk about putting lipstick on a pig.

    http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/apology_not_accepted.html
     
  2. JuanValdez

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    MC Mark, you're making us work too hard. Here's the factcheck that is mentioned:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/margaret_talev/story/52169.html

    The ad itself:

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  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    The McCain campaign is downright disgraceful and full of lies.

    I mean it is so negative....why don't they focus on the issues at hand....how they are going to CHANGE from GW.....

    I hope the American public wakes up and sees the lies they are tossing about so willy nilly.

    DD
     
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    I have a new cynical standard for politics: You must at least communicate why you should be elected. Not why the other guy should not be.

    That's enough to get my vote, since both guys have a roughly 98% chance of failing to live up to said communication.
     
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    Whatever honor McCain once had as a soldier and politician, he has flushed down the toilet with this campaign. He has decided that nothing matters more than winning and he is more than willing to lie without compunction about his opponent, himself, and his running mate, if that is what it takes to get elected.

    Though I disagreed with him politically, I once had a degree of respect for McCain. No more. He is simply a lying scumbag.
     
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    Cry babies... Get some balls. We all know that it is as much about proving ones worthiness as it is discrediting the opponents. If you can site where this ad blatantly lies about Obama's voting record, than show proof and make that your argument, otherwise this is an add about the facts.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    He's just mad because he was SCHOOLED by Akeem in college and again by Hakeem in the pros.
     
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    Did you even bother to read the thread?
     
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    He is a lying scumbag.
     
  11. Rocketman95

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    John McCain and Cindy McCain drink the blood of aborted fetuses before they go to bed each night. Little known fact, it's a different race for every house they own.

    PROVE ME WRONG!!!!
     
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    My bad... I got ahead of myself because I read the initial post but not the follow-up. I agree it is a little under handed. Well... its still politics and to be honest there is no standard to hold these guys to because the standard went out the window a long time ago. With this one and the Pig ad he does run the fine line of alienating the sensitive voter.
     
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    Somebody didn't read the article!

    Anyway, disgusting ad, but it's to be expected from McCain's campaign. Again, the issue is that the Obama campaign is on the defensive yet again, and while the facts may be on their side, the initial smear will have more of an effect. They need to start attacking, and soon.
     
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    A lying scumbag that has compromised everything he believed in to run for president. No honor, no integrity, no principles.
     
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    Are they the one's that Obama wants to abort after the baby is born or before? Because, technically, if it is after, they are not referred to as fetus's anymore. Just trying to finad out the truth.
     
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    McCain's Integrity

    Andrew Sullivan
    10 Sep 2008 01:40 pm

    For me, this surreal moment - like the entire surrealism of the past ten days - is not really about Sarah Palin or Barack Obama or pigs or fish or lipstick. It's about John McCain. The one thing I always thought I knew about him is that he is a decent and honest person. When he knows, as every sane person must, that Obama did not in any conceivable sense mean that Sarah Palin is a pig, what did he do? Did he come out and say so and end this charade? Or did he acquiesce in and thereby enable the mindless Rovianism that is now the core feature of his campaign?

    So far, he has let us all down. My guess is he will continue to do so. And that decision, for my part, ends whatever respect I once had for him. On core moral issues, where this man knew what the right thing was, and had to pick between good and evil, he chose evil. When he knew that George W. Bush's war in Iraq was a fiasco and catastrophe, and before Donald Rumsfeld quit, McCain endorsed George W. Bush against his fellow Vietnam vet, John Kerry in 2004. By that decision, McCain lost any credibility that he can ever put country first. He put party first and his own career first ahead of what he knew was best for the country.

    And when the Senate and House voted overwhelmingly to condemn and end the torture regime of Bush and Cheney in 2006, McCain again had a clear choice between good and evil, and chose evil.

    He capitulated and enshrined torture as the policy of the United States, by allowing the CIA to use techniques as bad as and worse than the torture inflicted on him in Vietnam. He gave the war criminals in the White House retroactive immunity against the prosecution they so richly deserve. The enormity of this moral betrayal, this betrayal of his country's honor, has yet to sink in. But for my part, it now makes much more sense. He is not the man I thought he was.

    And when he had the chance to engage in a real and substantive debate against the most talented politician of the next generation in a fall campaign where vital issues are at stake, what did McCain do? He began his general campaign with a series of grotesque, trivial and absurd MTV-style attacks on Obama's virtues and implied disgusting things about his opponent's patriotism.

    And then, because he could see he was going to lose, ten days ago, he threw caution to the wind and with no vetting whatsoever, picked a woman who, by her decision to endure her own eight-month pregnancy of a Down Syndrome child in public, that he was going to reignite the culture war as a last stand against Obama. That's all that is happening right now: a massive bump in the enthusiasm of the Christianist base. This is pure Rove.

    Yes, McCain made a decision that revealed many appalling things about him. In the end, his final concern is not national security. No one who cares about national security would pick as vice-president someone who knows nothing about it as his replacement. No one who cares about this country's safety would gamble the security of the world on a total unknown because she polled well with the Christianist base. No person who truly believed that the surge was integral to this country's national security would pick as his veep candidate a woman who, so far as we can tell anything, opposed it at the time.

    McCain has demonstrated in the last two months that he does not have the character to be president of the United States. And that is why it is more important than ever to ensure that Barack Obama is the next president. The alternative is now unthinkable. And McCain - no one else - has proved it.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/mccains-integri.html

    John McCain is morally unfit to be president --
     
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    All of America needs to know about this. If I were Obama I'd highlight this ad on his counter ads to show how dispicable McCain really is. No Honor. No Integrity. He's doing anything and everything just like Bush to get elected. Same old piece of **** politics that people are sick of. People need to know about this. He can easily win just to point out these blatant attacks and don't stoop this his level. I used to have so much respect for McCain prior to this election. To me now, he's a lying scumbag.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    I'm not sure it is factually incorrect, although certainly misleading and cynical. It's a shame all around. Strange, however, that the left leaning advocates of 'anything goes' are so outraged.
     
  20. glynch

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    This ad by McCain is as low as the rumors spread that his adopted daughter was really a result of his affair with a black woman.

    Not much honor left.

    What will be the next dishonorable McCain ad?
     

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