As mentioned in a previous thread, I was verbally offered a job with Oracle last Friday to work as an ERP Consultant with them. Although the pay is about the same as my current position, the perks are much better with Oracle. Not to mention the fact that Oracle is a good name to have on a resume. I really like this Oracle position a lot more than what I currently have. Now here is the dillemma....this morning when I come into work, I find out that there is a good possibility that I may be put on a project in Louisiana, and this project would probably start next week. This project will probably go until the beginning of next year. I am stuck between a rock and a hard place because chances are, my Oracle offer won't be "official" until early November. And I would absolutely hate to quit my current position right when the project kicks off because that would really put my current employer in a bad bind. They have been very good to me and I do not want to put them in a bad spot. But at the same time, I need to do what I feel is best for me. What should I do? There is always the chance that Oracle might fall through. Should I quit my job now? Should I put my employer in a bind when the Oracle offer comes through? After all, it is "at-will" employment. Oracle probably will not wait until this project ends to hire me. I really do not know what to do. Please give me some good advice.
I would talk to your current supervisor and explain the situation. He might have some ideas - just tell him that you think the Oracle job is a better career path for you. If he is any kind of professional person, he'll understand. Offer to him that you would like to still help on the project as a consultant but that you would have to do the work from home or when you have free time from your Oracle job. That might not be possible but it is an idea.
I wouldn't do a darn thing until this Oracle joker gives you an offer in writing... quitting your job or putting in notice before that day would be a bad idea in my book. As far as quitting after this new project starts, that is the way it goes... who knows, once you tell your current employer you have been offered a better position they may make you an offer you can't refuse.
Try to call Oracle and see if they will be flexible about when you can work. If you explain to them that it's because you don't want to screw over your employer they'll probably look at that as a plus because of company loyalty.
Tell your current employer you are currently fielding other offers right before a big project is about to kick off? Bad idea in my opinion... they might just "choose to move on" before you even get word that the Oracle job comes through so they know they have their new project started out with someone who is going to be there a while.
You're probably right - of course, I was assuming that his verbal offer would be upheld by Oracle. Jack - see if you can get an offer from Oracle in writing before doing anything.
Never ever ever discuss a job prospect until the ink is dry and then wait a day just to make sure. If you give your current employer two weeks notice then you have done right by them. You need to watch out for number one.
I have no reason to think that Oracle would not make good on their verbal offer, but you know, nothing is final until it is in writing. Oracle has this goofy hiring process where they need all of these approvals before making a formal offer. Apparently, this approval chain goes all the way up to the CEO's assistant. That's why it takes them about 2 weeks to make an offer. My boss here hasn't officially come to me to say that I am going to Louisiana. I am just hoping that I can pass this week by without being approached by him. That will give some to Oracle to get me an offer. The Consulting Manager tells me that she is also trying very hard to get the formal offer as fast as possible. The reason being that they want me in a bootcamp for Oracle that starts November 21st. If I am to make that, they have to give me a formal offer no later than November 4th, so I can give a 2 weeks notice here. If the offer doesn't come in on time, but does come later on, do you think it would be okay for me to quit mid-project?
Two weeks notice is two weeks notice regarldess of circumstance... as said above, you have to look out for yourself.
I agree. You can't worry about putting your current employer in a bind. That's the point of giving two weeks notice, so they can at least make some transition plans before you leave.
It reflects well on you that you're concerned about the bind going to Oracle might put your current employer in. As has been said, however, say nothing about getting an offer from anyone, or that you are looking. The ramifications could leave you on the street without a job, should Oracle fall through... and these things can fall through. You should keep your mouth closed and just wait to see what happens, in my opinion.
I actually regret feeling bad for my current employer. My Oracle offer came last Thursday and I submitted my resignation at my current company accordingly. Instead of letting me stay the term of my notice, they kicked me out of the door the same day! That would have been fine, except for the fact that back in September, I had put in for a week of vacation the week of Thanksgiving. By kicking me out of the door same day, they will not honor my vacation, my normally paid 2 days of Thanksgiving holiday, and salary that I would have gotten had I been allowed to stay the term of my notice. Not to mention the fact that I lost all of my accumulated vacation days (they would not pay them out because I have less than a year with the company). So basically, I submitted a notice on November 17th and received pay until November 18th. That's it! I got totally shafted. If I had known that I would be kicked out the same day and shafted like this, I would have resigned after my vacation. I'm very fortunate that Oracle will start paying me on Monday. Otherwise, by playing by the rules and submitting a notice, I would have had to make it this month on half a month's salary. I am totally peeved about this and totally regret feeling bad for my employer.
That sucks man. Didn't you let the employer know you were a little pissed off about the way they were handling this?
It all happened so fast that I really didn't have the chance to let them know. I submitted my resignation letter at 3:30PM and was out of the door by 5:30 PM. Plus, I didn't realize I was getting royally screwed until I was at the exit interview. I didn't say something at the exit interview because I didn't want to burn bridges. As I said previously in this thread, the company treated me well, until it was leaving time that is. After submitting my resignation, I got a phone call in my cube from HR saying that since I was not on a project right now and next week is a holiday week, they were just going to go ahead and wrap things up today(turning in my laptop, exit interview, etc.). When HR said that, I assumed that they were just going to make me not come after that day and that they would honor my vacation and keep me technically until the date of my notice. After I turned my badge in and was in the exit interview was when I found out that they were not going to pay me after that day and that they would not honor my vacation request for the following week that was submitted and APPROVED two months ago. A part of me wants to write a letter to HR telling them exactly how I feel. As I see it, if you earn vacation time, then that time is yours and should be honored or paid. It is not like I put in for vacation after resigning or knowing that I would leave. This was done 2 months ago. On top of that, I realy want to let them know that their policy of terminating people the same day really puts good people in a bad financial bind. When people resign, they do it under the assumption that they will have a paycheck until the next job starts. When a company terminates you immediately and cuts your pay, it really puts you in a tough spot. It almost encourages me to tell my friends at the company that when they leave, they should not submit a notice. Rather they should take all of their vacation and then they should just say I'm leaving today. Forget submitting a notice!!! A notice gets you screwed. I am lucky that Oracle is going to pay me starting Monday. Otherwise, I would really be struggling to make it this month.
I don't think they can do that. If you give two weeks notice then they have to pay you upto that point. They can tell you to go and not come in but they still have to pay you. I would check with an employment lawyer.
