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Jim Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege

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  1. basso

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    apropos this post, Jim Webb makes much the same point in the WSJ today, and some other worthy insights. i particularly like his last point.

    [rquoter]America still owes a debt to its black citizens, but government programs to help all 'people of color' are unfair. They should end.
    By JAMES WEBB

    The NAACP believes the tea party is racist. The tea party believes the NAACP is racist. And Pat Buchanan got into trouble recently by pointing out that if Elena Kagan is confirmed to the Supreme Court, there will not be a single Protestant Justice, although Protestants make up half the U.S. population and dominated the court for generations.

    Forty years ago, as the United States experienced the civil rights movement, the supposed monolith of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant dominance served as the whipping post for almost every debate about power and status in America. After a full generation of such debate, WASP elites have fallen by the wayside and a plethora of government-enforced diversity policies have marginalized many white workers. The time has come to cease the false arguments and allow every American the benefit of a fair chance at the future.

    I have dedicated my political career to bringing fairness to America's economic system and to our work force, regardless of what people look like or where they may worship. Unfortunately, present-day diversity programs work against that notion, having expanded so far beyond their original purpose that they now favor anyone who does not happen to be white.

    In an odd historical twist that all Americans see but few can understand, many programs allow recently arrived immigrants to move ahead of similarly situated whites whose families have been in the country for generations. These programs have damaged racial harmony. And the more they have grown, the less they have actually helped African-Americans, the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action as it was originally conceived.

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    How so?

    Lyndon Johnson's initial program for affirmative action was based on the 13th Amendment and on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which authorized the federal government to take actions in order to eliminate "the badges of slavery." Affirmative action was designed to recognize the uniquely difficult journey of African-Americans. This policy was justifiable and understandable, even to those who came from white cultural groups that had also suffered in socio-economic terms from the Civil War and its aftermath.

    The injustices endured by black Americans at the hands of their own government have no parallel in our history, not only during the period of slavery but also in the Jim Crow era that followed. But the extrapolation of this logic to all "people of color"—especially since 1965, when new immigration laws dramatically altered the demographic makeup of the U.S.—moved affirmative action away from remediation and toward discrimination, this time against whites. It has also lessened the focus on assisting African-Americans, who despite a veneer of successful people at the very top still experience high rates of poverty, drug abuse, incarceration and family breakup.

    Those who came to this country in recent decades from Asia, Latin America and Africa did not suffer discrimination from our government, and in fact have frequently been the beneficiaries of special government programs. The same cannot be said of many hard-working white Americans, including those whose roots in America go back more than 200 years.

    Contrary to assumptions in the law, white America is hardly a monolith. And the journey of white American cultures is so diverse (yes) that one strains to find the logic that could lump them together for the purpose of public policy.

    The clearest example of today's misguided policies comes from examining the history of the American South.

    The old South was a three-tiered society, with blacks and hard-put whites both dominated by white elites who manipulated racial tensions in order to retain power. At the height of slavery, in 1860, less than 5% of whites in the South owned slaves. The eminent black historian John Hope Franklin wrote that "fully three-fourths of the white people in the South had neither slaves nor an immediate economic interest in the maintenance of slavery."

    The Civil War devastated the South, in human and economic terms. And from post-Civil War Reconstruction to the beginning of World War II, the region was a ravaged place, affecting black and white alike.

    In 1938, President Franklin Roosevelt created a national commission to study what he termed "the long and ironic history of the despoiling of this truly American section." At that time, most industries in the South were owned by companies outside the region. Of the South's 1.8 million sharecroppers, 1.2 million were white (a mirror of the population, which was 71% white). The illiteracy rate was five times that of the North-Central states and more than twice that of New England and the Middle Atlantic (despite the waves of European immigrants then flowing to those regions). The total endowments of all the colleges and universities in the South were less than the endowments of Harvard and Yale alone. The average schoolchild in the South had $25 a year spent on his or her education, compared to $141 for children in New York.

    Generations of such deficiencies do not disappear overnight, and they affect the momentum of a culture. In 1974, a National Opinion Research Center (NORC) study of white ethnic groups showed that white Baptists nationwide averaged only 10.7 years of education, a level almost identical to blacks' average of 10.6 years, and well below that of most other white groups. A recent NORC Social Survey of white adults born after World War II showed that in the years 1980-2000, only 18.4% of white Baptists and 21.8% of Irish Protestants—the principal ethnic group that settled the South—had obtained college degrees, compared to a national average of 30.1%, a Jewish average of 73.3%, and an average among those of Chinese and Indian descent of 61.9%.

    Policy makers ignored such disparities within America's white cultures when, in advancing minority diversity programs, they treated whites as a fungible monolith. Also lost on these policy makers were the differences in economic and educational attainment among nonwhite cultures. Thus nonwhite groups received special consideration in a wide variety of areas including business startups, academic admissions, job promotions and lucrative government contracts.

    Where should we go from here? Beyond our continuing obligation to assist those African-Americans still in need, government-directed diversity programs should end.

    Nondiscrimination laws should be applied equally among all citizens, including those who happen to be white. The need for inclusiveness in our society is undeniable and irreversible, both in our markets and in our communities. Our government should be in the business of enabling opportunity for all, not in picking winners. It can do so by ensuring that artificial distinctions such as race do not determine outcomes.

    Memo to my fellow politicians: Drop the Procrustean policies and allow harmony to invade the public mindset. Fairness will happen, and bitterness will fade away.

    Mr. Webb, a Democrat, is a U.S. senator from Virginia.[/rquoter]

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703724104575379630952309408.html
     
  2. Batman Jones

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    Incredible. A cut and paste from basso with which I entirely agree. First time for everything.

    I've always liked Jim Webb.
     
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    why do we even have race and sex on our job/college applications.?
     
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    Because a college would rather have a women or a minority then a white guy.
     
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    Because part of the education in college is spending time with, living with, learning with, working with, people that are different. Colleges try and provide diversity to give students a more well rounded education and experience.
     
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    No kidding, doesn't everyone just check "yes" on the sex question for college applications?

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  7. CometsWin

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    Jim Webb is living in a racial fantasy land. He needs to lay off the sauce. America, where fairness happens and where pre-1965 racial harmony was destroyed by affirmative action. Pfft, what a crackhead opinion piece. The truth is affirmative action was not only not enough to remedy the issue, it's been undermined in a variety of ways since its inception.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    Senator Webb, Archie Bunker called, he wants his theory back.
     
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    Somewhere in those lines of Webb's is trying to shift racial and ethnic tensions to where the true meat lies, class disparities.

    I couldn't agree more, but we're hung up on the "evils of socialism" or quasi-Communism that it easily gets lost in the cable news shuffle.
     
  10. Ubiquitin

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    That's amusing coming from a guy who probably did not attend college at all. It is there for reporting reasons, so the university can better understand its student body. Being a minority is not going to get your foot in the door, and it is not going to get you an acceptance.
     
  11. Shroopy2

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    The other misconception is that its even JUST white men getting harangued. The White Man monolith leads into being considered Man-In-General monolith, which means the biggest victims of inequality filters down to being women who may or may not be victims, similarly to how Asians or Latin Americans weren't direct victims of American white man policy. Or any "lesser" people who wants to throw their hat in.

    White man bad, followed by all other man. White man make African American man bad. Bad African American man piss off wife. All wives and children band together to hate all Man. Everyone want reparations.

    Which is fair, but its also fair to analyze the situation to conclude if it has served its purpose and needs to be discontinued.

    Racial and class tensions aren't going to completely dissolve even in the best case scenario. Thinking that ALL tension has to end to discontinue it I think is also unrealistic.
     
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    I was reading this thing again and this whole "racial harmony" line is just really really annoying. Racial harmony in 1950's America? What the hell is he talking about? I think I know what he means now though. To preface though while I support in theory a program to deal with the effects of our history I think affirmative action has been poorly implemented. It's really this generality of a program designed to give a hand up that nobody really understands and nobody really knows when it's in play and nobody really knows when success has been met and when the program is no longer needed. So in that respect it's a bad situation. So when Webb is talking about racial harmony, it's the situation that exists when the establishment is in control and isn't threatened by the newcomers be they women, minorities, or immigrants. Affirmative action basically gave white upper and upper middle class white men a rhetorical weapon to use against middle and lower middle class white men. If you lose your job to a woman, a minority, or an immigrant then it's that evil government affirmative action that's the reason. It's that Martin Luther King guy taking your job. The scapegoat to your lack of success isn't the upper class white establishment that has obstructed you through their use and abuse of power, it's the undeserving people who are given your jobs on arbitrary racial quotas that are to blame. This is the real racial harmony he's talking about. The time in which white people competed against themselves for all the best opportunities and everyone else was left to struggle for the remainder. Instead of pointing out ways where we can change affirmative action to be more effective, be more targeted, and find ways to measure its success or failure and be done with it, he just wants to tear it down. I generally approve of Webb and his positions but here I fear he is pandering to our worst traditions in the home of the Confederacy. For someone who fought in Vietnam to say that fairness happens in this country, I'm just shocked. Fairness only happens when people demand it and fight for it, it's not achieved through passivity.
     

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