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Jim Jackson shooting himself out of starting lineup

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by pike, Dec 1, 2003.

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  1. pike

    pike New Member

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    obviously this is opinion, so take it for what it's worth, but the numbers don't lie...

    shooting percentage

    Steve Francis 42.1
    Yao Ming 48.5
    Cuttino Mobley 43.5
    Jim Jackson 35.4
    Kelvin Cato 34.0

    (this five have started all 16 games)

    wow, i'm not a basketball expert, but i'm guessing 35% is not gonna cut it for a 3 guard. cato you'd expect to shoot poorly, but not JJ. the Rockets need a lot more from JJ...maybe JVG is used to seeing dreadful shooting (see: NY Knicks), but he's not going to put up with it forever. especially when he's got a guy on the bench -- Piatkowski -- who he knows can hit open jumpers. he hasn't screwed with the starting lineup yet, but if recent results continue look for him to shake it up a bit.

    let's see, you've got Steve and Cat running around out there like high school soph's, turning the ball over (SF assists to turnover's is 1.2 -- ranks him as the NBA's worst for starting PGs) and taking poor shots, so you go to Jim Jackson for some stability and veteran maturity, and what does he give you? 35% from the field. thanks, Jim.

    just goes to show you that this starting 5 is not gelling and may not for a long time. look for JVG to play Piatkowski a ton when he gets back to game shape. he may not be able to d-up opposing 3-guards as well as JJ, but he can at least hit the open jumper consistently. this helps spread the defense for Yao, gives SF another option (should he choose to pass the ball) and in general would do wonders for the offense. so, overall, the defense would take a hit, but the offense would be so tough to stop it would win the Rockets a lot of games...
     
    #1 pike, Dec 1, 2003
  2. tierre_brown

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    Actually, Cato's FG% should be higher since his point SHOULD be coming off of putbacks and dunks and close range shots, not the 15 footers and fadeaways he seems to be taking lately. As for JJ, he gives Gundy exactly what he wants: D. The offensive woes are on the whole team (turnovers, missed shots, bad shot selection) and JJ is just in a particularly bad slump right now. But, as many have said before, he brings intangibles like hustle, pretty solid D, another post presence, etc into the mix. I think having Pike coming offf the bench with Mo is a pretty good combo, with MoT playing the post and Pike feeding off of that. Of course, Pike should see some increased time with Yao and Mobley/Francis, but coming off the bench as a spark plug is, IMO, a better role right now.
     
    #2 tierre_brown, Dec 1, 2003
  3. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    JJ is a nice role player that is better suited to be coming off the bench. But here in Houston he is the de facto starting SF since he is the best option we have. Pike and Nachbar just can't cut it for starting minutes at the SF spot. They just dont have the defense. JJ's minutes SHOULD decrease to give him more rest (and hopefully that will improve his FG%) since he is over worked as it is. Pike will probably get the majority of his minutes when he is on the bench.
     
    #3 Deuce, Dec 1, 2003
  4. A-Train

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    Jim Jackson sucks. Sure, he can hit open threes ocassionally, but put anybody on him, and he can't get a decent shot off to save his life
     
    #4 A-Train, Dec 1, 2003
  5. sums41

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    my favorite rockets player is Nachbar, but first, i am a Rockets fan, so whatever helps, if pike can be a better player than JJ, well put him in the starting lineup, but i still would like to see nachbar play some minutes, he is not that bad, and he is i don't think he is that bad of a shooter, he just needs confidence that if he screws up, he will still get minutes like the rest of the rockets, but back to pike, it would be nice to see him play some more whenever he gets back to game shape, JJ could come off the bench for defensive purposes.
     
    #5 sums41, Dec 1, 2003
  6. sums41

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    my favorite rockets player is Nachbar, but first, i am a Rockets fan, so whatever helps, if pike can be a better player than JJ, well put him in the starting lineup, but i still would like to see nachbar play some minutes, he is not that bad, and i don't think he is that bad of a shooter, he just needs confidence that if he screws up, he will still get minutes like the rest of the rockets, but back to pike, it would be nice to see him play some more whenever he gets back to game shape, JJ could come off the bench for defensive purposes.
     
    #6 sums41, Dec 1, 2003
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    sorry for posting twice, im new here, im not trying to post a bunch of posts, sorry.
     
    #7 sums41, Dec 1, 2003
  8. bottlerocket

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    Action Jackson is a nice role player...off the bench.
     
    #8 bottlerocket, Dec 1, 2003
  9. pike

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    hopefully you are right. JJ just has not impressed me so far...it's just tough: "missed shots, bad shot selection" this is what we brought in Pike to remedy. and we can tolerate this stuff from Cat and Franchise, but not from a supposed veteran like Jim Jackson. if this team is really going places like we all want to believe it is, then we need A LOT more from the 3 position...
     
    #9 pike, Dec 1, 2003
  10. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    JJ kind of fell into the starting role because Pike and Griffin were both hurt coming into the season. I'd expect a change once everyone is healthy...34% isn't going to cut it for any team.
     
    #10 Severe Rockets Fan, Dec 1, 2003
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    The thing is JJ is a .429 11-year-career shooter. Why is he only shooting 0.354 right now? Is it because his shots are mostly near the 3p line now in our system? (his career average for 3p is 0.352).

    Another thing I notice from the pbp (I don't get the chance to watch it on tv too often unfortunately) is that most of the passes to yao in the post comes from JJ/Pike. Is it because thats the only angle where the ball can be passed adequately to Yao (from that position)?
     
    #11 alain076, Dec 1, 2003
  12. HotRocket

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    If Jim is only in the Starting Line-up because of his defense, then does that give Griffin a chance to start? He's younger and just as good if not better than Jackson at defense.

    I would like to see the Rockets have a starting line-up that emphasizes the fact that Steve and Yao are our two main options:

    Yao
    Cato
    Pike
    Griffin
    Steve

    Everyone except Steve and Yao are role players. They should know when to shoot and when to pass it to Steve or Yao. Right now, we have Cat, Jim, and Mo Tay thinking that they need to get their shots as well.

    Right now our offense is our biggest problem. Steve and Yao have been playing well on the offensive end while the rest of the team hasn't. Let's just give it to them and let them create?
     
    #12 HotRocket, Dec 1, 2003
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