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Jim Jackson - Good for the team?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hoang17, Dec 2, 2004.

  1. hoang17

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    Alright, i don't know if this is just venting from a very frustrating season or if its just from this game but I have always been very critical of JJ's play. I don't know why JVG loves him so much. I mean honestly, why does JVG keep on playing him 40+ minutes a game?


    - JJ went 7-18 in tonights game. He went 3-10 from 3 point land. I watched most of the game and all of his shots were wide open. Nobody was even near him. If he can't hit these, why is he on the team? Well one could say he had a bad game but his stats are 35-89 on the season (before this game). To me, JJ's role on this team is to hit that open jump shot because its always gonna be there. To add to the fact that he can't hit a jumpshot lately, he's TO prone. He had 4-5 TO tonight and a lot of them are bone-headed plays (dribbling off his feet, passing in the air).

    - solution? Play boki. I don't understand why JVG doesn't play this guy more often. Granted, he isn't that good defensively, but is JJ that much more superior defensively? As i watch JJ, all i see is a washed up, old, and slow player who is more experienced defensively. And how do you get experience...BY GETTING MINUTES. Plus, boki has shown that he can hit the 3. His stats for the season is 10-21 on the season. I know that if he was given the chance to shoot 89 times, he'd make more than 35 3's. Boki just like any other player in this league, needs consistent minutes to prove that he can produce. I believe that if he was given consistent minutes, he would be more efficient than JJ. period.

    - If not boki, then find someone to make that open shot. I would be fine if JJ consistently made that shot but this season he hasn't. Last season, he was our backbone of the team. He kept us in games, and provided leadership. But this year isn't last year. Too bad this is all a moot point because JVG has too much trust and loyalty in him to reduce his minutes.

    Am I the only one that sees JJ as a problem on this team?
     
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    Yeah, I think JJ would be better suited to come off the bench with Mo T. That would give us somewhat of a bench. Of course, this will never happen. JVG likes his veterans. Also, I think JJ would be good trade bait.
     
  3. JumpMan

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    Patrick Ewing says... JJ is the teams leader...

    JJ is the only player who plays hard every night so I would say he's good for the team.

    He'll find his lost three point shot soon...
     
  4. hoang17

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    see the one thing that pisses me off about JVG mostly, is his loyalty to "his" players. There's a certain trust factor with him, and if you don't got it, you aint playing. That's terrible because it ruins other players confidence and hampers their development.
     
  5. hoang17

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    Patrick Ewing is a f*cking idiot.

    JJ is not a leader and even if he was our leader, he aint doing a good job of it. I'm a big fan of playing the hot hand in a game. If you can't hit a shot for your life, i'm gonna find someone that can.
     
  6. h-townfan

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    Who would start in JJ's place? Right now I trust JJ's shooting over anyone we currently have on our bench.
     
  7. jopatmc

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    Yeah, I like JJ. He's a blood and guts player and when he is hot, look out. But still, he should be coming off the bench as the sixth or seventh man. I'd like to see what Boki could have done with those 18 shots tonight, most of them wide open looks at the 3 point line.

    Still bothers me the way Van Gundy treats his players. All he talked about this summer was about how hard Boki was working in the gym. Then we come out this season, Boki is hitting the 3 ball, and for some stupid reason he is now the 12th man while MoT has been eating up minutes at the 4 spot and not getting a single rebound. I guess he is loyal to the players that dog it? Makes no sense.
     
  8. mogrod

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    I think JJ's positives far exceed the negatives. He is the team leader right now and he plays a good all-around game. Anytime you have a player that brings a positive influence on both ends of the court, then you arer happy he is on the team. It would be nice if we had someone that could be the starter with him coming off the bench, but no team is stacked at every position. The only thing I really don't like is that it seems there are alot of times he forces a shot or settles for a "3-ball".
     
  9. hoang17

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    see that's what i'm asking? What are the positives that he's bringing THIS year? He's taking a lot of shots but he's not making them consistently like he was last year. He's a lot more TO prone than I thought and his defense is really not that good. If you watch the games, he bodies the guy up but one move to the basket and JJ's left in quicksand. All i'm saying is that he hasn't been efficient this year and I think there should be a change.
     
  10. JBIIRockets

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    I'm with you hoang17. I think JJ is a little overrated around here...

    I know that JJ was battling the flu tonight and he had 5 threes last game (even though some of them were garbage threes)....

    ....and he is averaging 13.7 points per game this season, but I consider that a disappointment because he gets so many open looks and he has been missing a lot this year. His FG percentage in a shade under 42% this season with his threes being at 39% percent.

    Satisfying numbers I guess, but he gets so many open looks now with T-Mac and Yao constanly getting doubled that I think JJ's percentages should be even higher.

    another frustrating this is his lack of ballhandling skills. He knows how to fumble a ball or two when asked to take someone off the dribble.

    Use your legs Jim!

    am I asking for too much here?
     
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    Good post Hoang17! I always felt JJ never truly knew his position on this team. He's a role player but he does not act like it. He thinks he's option No 2 behind TMac, I don't know how many times he pissed me off by taking all the shots instead of going inside to Yao. I have said this in the past and will keep on saying this, on this team I don't want anybody taking more shots than Yao other than TMac.

    JJ does not seem to know his role and I think that 's the real problem for us. In the first half of tonight's game he did not take too many shots, TMac and Yao were in the flow of the offense.

    In the second half , he reverted back to his own self and started jacking up shots in the expense of Yao. I think in JJ's mind, he stills thinks he a star( sort of like Mobley when he was here).

    The best place for JJ is to come of the bench, believe me our No 1 priority right now is to get TMac and Yao going. They are the future of our franchise, everybody else is secondary.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    He is great when he is hitting his 3 pt shot.

    He gets more open looks than anyone with that shot in the corner.

    DD
     
  13. Man

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    I don't think his legs are very good at going side to side. lol
    He is our leader..I think he should be a backup..but I like it when he hits the 3s. I hate it when he gets done up by opposing players cuz he's not quick enough..today Terry or Daniels or Harris or whoever didn't really do much.

    Jimmy doesn't go for the offensive rebound. Or well I saw him..and he didn't..he just stood at the 3 point line and waited tos ee who got possession lol.

    He's good solid..and his little runner to the basket floater thing is good.

    I don't know. I think everyone should get to play every game. Fresh rotation of players.
     
  14. Willis25

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    he is the third option on this team

    he is not afraid to shoot

    he is not afraid to hustle

    Yes, his % is a little low

    but he has HEART .... and right now THAT is the most important thing on this team
     
  15. hoang17

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    I tend to disagree. Heart is not the most important thing on this team. Making buckets is what is the most important thing on this team. He has that corner 3 and any other 3 almost open every game and if he can't hit it, he's no help to this team.

    We are dead last or 2nd to last in the league in point scored. Do you wonder why? It is because if our offense sets and the fact that nobody can hit a open set shot. Our highest 3point percentage shooter is riding the bench while JJ "the guy with the most heart" is shooting 3-10. I'm sorry but heart-felt wins don't count in the W-L column.
     
  16. SwoLy-D

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    MARIO ELLIE = JIM Jackson
     
  17. gbritton

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    i would much rather have shane battie(spelling?), he is younger and is about the same kind of player
     
  18. richirich

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    I do think JJ is playing too many minutes esp. at his age, and would probably be fresher and get improved results if his minutes were reduced to 30-32. Give the other 8-10 minutes to Boki and give him the chance to build some consistency.

    I've said it before - if we are going to use an older team then we should run a 10 man rotation and keep throwing fresh bodies at our opponents, and keep some of the older guys from burning out.
     
  19. Samar

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    unless he goes 0-12, JJ will get lots of minutes from JVG. Cuz JVG loves him, and JJ goes into his office every morning and comes out with his knees dirty.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Jimmy Jack is shooting about 38.4% this year from beyond the arc. Last year he shot 39.2% So if he takes a thousand three pointers this year, at this pace he would hit 8 fewer than last season, if he takes the same amount he did last year (434) he will make 3 fewer, that is in 85 games. I don't know why Van Gundy can't see that his three point stroke has left him and he needs to be cut from the team. I mean, every 30 games he is missing a three pointer that he would have hit last season.

    :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     

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