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Jesse Jackson Not Happy With Alabama's Coach Selection

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Manny Ramirez, May 10, 2003.

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  1. Manny Ramirez

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    Okay, this might start a bonfire here, but I saw this on ESPN's site:



    Jackson: Beyond playing, blacks have no life in SEC

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    Associated Press


    MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The Rev. Jesse Jackson criticized the University of Alabama on Friday for selecting Mike Shula as its new football coach over Green Bay Packers assistant Sylvester Croom.

    Shula is white and Croom is black.

    "The SEC maintains a culture of excluding blacks beyond the playing field," Jackson said in a statement. "White players, beyond the playing field, can expect to become coaches, athletic directors and college presidents. Blacks have no life beyond the playing field."

    Alabama president Robert Witt and athletic director Mal Moore told Jackson before they hired Shula that they were considering minority candidates for the job.

    Croom was interviewed earlier this week along with Shula and Carolina Panthers coach Richard Williamson.

    He issued a statement Friday extending his congratulations to Shula.

    "To the numerous Alabama fans and former players who expressed their desire to see me return to Tuscaloosa, I express my sincere gratitude," Croom said.

    Jackson called Alabama's efforts "smoke and mirrors."

    Jackson said he plans to discuss the situation with the NCAA and the Black Coaches Association.

    Shula was hired to replace Mike Price, who was fired without coaching a single game after reports surfaced of a night at a topless bar. His predecessor, Dennis Franchione, abruptly left for Texas A&M after two seasons.

    The 37-year-old Shula has spent 15 years as an NFL assistant, including the past three as the Miami Dolphins' quarterbacks coach. But he has no experience as a head coach or on a college staff.






    Personally, I think JJ is naive to think that Alabama was going to actually hire Croom or another minority, simply because of the situation they are in with the probation. It would be too easy, IMO, for the fans and alumni to get upset if things go bad and they could use the new coach as a scapegoat. However, that is just conjecture on my part. Who knows the real reason - maybe it is that Mal Moore and Robert Witt honestly feel that Mike Shula is the best and most qualified candidate for the job.
     
    #1 Manny Ramirez, May 10, 2003
  2. codell

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    Is Jessie Jackson ever happy with anything?
     
    #2 codell, May 10, 2003
  3. DaDakota

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    Shouldn't the REVEREND Jackson simply go see his wife, or girlfriend and shut the hell up.

    DD
     
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  5. MacBeth

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    I do not in any way think of Jesse Jackson as a political opportunist who uses every opportunity to increase his won exposure and further his career.

    I am not tired of hearing him carp every time anyone of any color is hired to do anything.

    I feel that even a broken clock is right twice a day, and even JJ is on the money at times, simply because racism is alive and well and active in our society.

    Half of the sentences on this page are true.
     
    #5 MacBeth, May 10, 2003
  6. Timing

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    Do you have any earthly idea what you just said?


    Jesse Jackson isn't naive, he's simply pointing out the very factual history of hiring in college football.
     
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  7. Manny Ramirez

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    Oh boy, I should have known...*sigh*

    Yes, Timing, I know what I said and unlike you, I was trying to come from the Alabama administration side.

    Look bud, I have lived in Tennessee pretty much my whole life. People here are either UT fans or Bama fans. As a matter of fact, where I live, I would say about 35% of them are Bama fans. I work with people who went to the University of Alabama, have friends that went there, etc.

    I think I know a little about the school's football program, okay?

    Considering that there has never been a black coach in the SEC, I doubt very seriously that Alabama would want to be the first. Now before you go bananas, you have to look at their situation. Their program is on probation and will be for the next 4 years. That means no bowl games, no chance of winning the NC, reduced scholarships, etc.

    Why do you think that Franchione left as quickly as he did? He knew that he was up against a stacked deck with the probation. However, let's say that Alabama hires Sylvester Croom instead of Shula. Just humor me on this, alright?

    Now with reduced scholarships, what if Bama has one year in which the players they recruited don't play well or are busts? They could easily finish with a losing season, especially since the SEC is along with the Big 12 the most competitive conference in Division I-A football. Now, fans aren't too patient in Alabama, even with their own. Have you ever heard of Mike DuBose, Timing? He was one of their own, played for Coach Bryant, had a 3-8 season and was shown the door.

    If Croom had a losing season because the players didn't pan out like his recruiting staff thought they were going to, do you think that the Bama fans are going to accept it? My guess is that the alumni, boosters, fans, etc. would put pressure on the Administration or Athletic department to get rid of Croom. Losing seasons are just not tolerated there. Period. And once Croom is let go, guess who will say something? That is right, Jesse Jackson.

    At least give Croom a fighting chance. I will be very surprised if Shula is still coaching Bama by the end of their probation.

    The SEC needs a black coach - there is no question about that; however, Alabama is not the ideal situation for it.

    I can't believe that I have to go to this detail to explain this to you, especially when there was a condensed version in the post you quoted. What part of that post do you not understand?

    Oh and I *appreciate* how you singled me out instead of DaDakota or codell. Real nice there.....:rolleyes:
     
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    The Strictly Ethnic Coaches conference needs to wake the **** up. I see Manny's point though.
     
    #8 moestavern19, May 10, 2003
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    why is Alabama's mascot an elephant? what does that have to do with Tide?

    hopefully someone here will know the answer...i could not find one Alabama fan at last year's game who knew why.
     
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  10. Manny Ramirez

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    Fact is that there's very few black head coaches in Division I. Bobby Williams was canned by MSU last year. No SEC school would ever hire a black head coach. It's just too damn redneck out there. Tyrone Willingham of Notre Dame is the only prominent black head coach.

    Alabama: Mike Shula
    Arkansas: Houston Nuttless
    Auburn: Tommy Tuberville
    Georgia: Mark Richt
    Florida: Ron Zook
    LSU: Nick Saban
    Ole Miss: Rod Barnes
    Miss. St: Jackie Sherrill
    South Carolina: Lou Holtz
    Tennessee: Phil Fulmer
    Vanderbilt: ?
     
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    Can you imagine how crazy the 'necks would get if a black guy took the job once held by Paul Bear Bryant? He is revered more than God in Alabama.
     
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  13. Manny Ramirez

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    Bobby Johnson is their coach and Guy Morriss is the coach at Kentucky.

    You are probably right Baqui, but I still think that the situation at Alabama with the probation is not the most favorable one to put any coach in, black or white.
     
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    Morriss left for Baylor. :eek:
     
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  15. Manny Ramirez

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    Yea, you are right. I forgot about that. Rich Brooks is their coach now.
     
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  16. Timing

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    I already knew DaDa was living in a utopian fog, no need to rehash that with him but your post is exhibit A for DaDa's reality check so hopefully he read it. I found all three posts pretty weak actually but yours took the cake. The fact that you would attempt to rationalize Alabama's MO is what bothers me. I mean here you are in 2003 talking about a state funded institution having a rationale for intentionally not hiring a minority candidate. Then you're here talking about what if Croom has a poor season and gets fired. Black coaches deserve every opportunity to get fired, scapegoated, trashed, and bashed as much as white coaches. Minorities want the same opportunities as the majority at every level, they don't want to be condescendingly told which opportunities are right for them and which are not. How dare you? What the hell!

    I'm not going to tell you any one administration is racist. That's impossible to tell. What's easy to tell is the record of hiring and the history at Alabama, the SEC, and in college football coaching in general which all have a pattern of racism. Until this changes, Jesse Jackson and whoever else should continue pressuring these bastions of 1950's America. I mean we have people in this thread talking about Jesse Jackson rather than stating their scorn for the machinery at these schools that maintains a racial agenda. It's amazing.
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    Screw it...old argument and not worth rehashing.

    DD
     
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  18. giddyup

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    I found the false one.
     
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  19. giddyup

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    You've contradicted yourself between the first and last sentence. So which is it?
     
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    What is the difference between you not being right for the opportunity and the opportunity not being right for you?
     
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