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Jesse Jackson is a joke

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by finalsbound, Aug 17, 2001.

  1. finalsbound

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    What a son of a b*tch. How could he do that to his wife, his kids? This affair further adds to my belief that democrats and Christianity are oxymorons. How could any Bible toting Reverends be pro-choice, when it specifically says in the Bible that the pro-choice belief is wrong? Or how could he be so against Capital punishment, when it is deemed necessary in the Bible? And how could he cheat on his wife when it certainly says cheating is wrong in the Bible? For goodness sakes ... then this clueless lady comes on 20-20 and assures the American people that Jesse Jackson's marriage wasn't for love, but for political reasons. Yeah, I bet that made his wife feel wonderful. I used to like Jesse Jackson when I was younger for his civil rights ideas, but over the years I have completely lost any respect I've ever had for him.

    Just seeing his other woman on channel 13 made me so angry. So many blacks looked or look up to him, and he does something dispicable. He gives Christians, blacks, and democrats a bad name.
     
  2. Vengeance

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    I'm not going to speak to any of the political party stuff, or even the affair stuff. But straight up, I don't particularly like Jesse Jackson.

    IMO, he is a fraud who has continuously tried to vault himself into this position of status and power as such a great person. He wants to be thought of in the same vain as Martin Luther King. However, the difference between MLK and Jesse Jackson is that MLK was REAL. Jesse Jackson is like all those boy bands you see -- he's just a concoction. He isn't a Reverand in ANY church, and rather than standing against all injustices, he makes himself a lacky for the democratic party.

    Mr. Jackson rides around in fancy limos, wears expensive suits, and is a smarmy politician, like all the rest.

    Martin Luther King (whom I respect <i>immensely</i>) rode around in busses, and fought the grass roots war against injustice, without succumbing to political action groups, and being a tool of political parties. MLK was a great man who was an honest, truthful, incredible figure for rectifying injustices and believing in the equality of all.

    Mr. Jackson is nothing but a hack who plays himself out as a Martin Luther King, but comes up severely short because he embodies all that the great Dr. King was not. If he were faced with the challenge, Mr. Jackson would not stand against fire hoses or march with the people like Dr. King. Rather, he is one to drive up in his limo, give a speech, kiss some babies, then drive off.

    I am probably too harsh in my criticism of Mr. Jackson, but he is one person I dislike very much as I believe he represents many of the wrongs of our current political system. He has done some great works, but on the whole, my feeling on him is negative.
     
  3. mrpaige

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    But I thought it was great when he went on Saturday Night Live and read Green Eggs and Ham.
     
  4. Achebe

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    I certainly have lost a ton of respect for Jesse Jackson because of his infidelity.

    But this:

    is the epitome of all asinine 'sound byte' political attacks. Do you actually think for yourself at any particular point of the day?

    Could you please phone up Dan Burton or any of the other countless republicans that have admitted to being infidels? I'm sure they'd love your input on 1) their relationships with their spouses and 2) their relationships with their GOD(s).

    Or are you as sanctimonious as you are stupid?
     
  5. finalsbound

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    Achebe, I guess I'm stupid. But I do believe that Christians hold the Bible's values, and though Republicans and Democrats alike are imperfect, many democratic beliefs are against the Christian religion. IMO.
     
  6. Tolpatcsh Verkinder

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    This is a joke :



    This is just stupid and arrogant :

     
  7. Ottomaton

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    Yes! of course! We should only have good, god-fearing Republican Reverends like Jim Baker... er...

    Really? I must have missed that verse... In fact, I'm pretty sure that the state of medicine in the Middle East from around this time period would have a difficult time putting the detailed terms to describe an abortion into words. How do you say speculum in Aramaic? Or even abortafactant? Or are you perhaps just inferring from some scraps of information and your own experiences?

    It must be really wonderful to ignore everything that gets in the way of your beliefs. For every statement in the old testament about capital punishment, etc. there is an equaly provocative implication in the new testament (which, by the way, superscedes the old testament thanks to some dude who's considered kind of important) that you should love everyone and forgive them their sins, etc.

    The Old Testament is the Republican book of the bible, heavy on the accountability and guilt. It was, unfortunately for you, rendered obsolete by the newer New Testament, full of wonderful ideas so anathema to all you concervitives, like compassion and love.
     
  8. RocksMillenium

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    I'm sorry, that is just idiotic. Assuming that someone's political belief's reflect their religious belief is just arrogant and condescending. People need to think before they say ridiculous things like this because it's pretty insulting, and it isn't any different then being prejudice. Think about it, it's prejudice to assume that all or most black people play basketball, what is the difference in someone sayings something as asinine as:

     
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    <b>democrats and Christianity are oxymorons. </b>

    I'm sorry, I just read that again and I can't believe that someone said that and posted that. To say that an entire political group, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, or what have you is anti-Christian just blows my mind.
     
  10. Vengeance

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    On the Bible issue -- you can contort the Bible to say whatever you want. Referencing it in <i>most</i> contexts is a losing battle because it can be so easily contorted. Heck, if I wanted I could make it say that we should worship aliens from jupiter.
     
  11. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think it is sad that the black community does not have the great leaders today that they had in the '60s. Instead of MLK and Malcom X, all that I see are Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and that guy that heads up the New Black Panther Party, the one that said white motorists should be pulled from their cars and beaten after the police shooting incident in Ohio. What a joke. At least there is Colin Powell, although he doesn't seem to be embraced by many in the black community, maybe because he is a Republican?
     
  12. Tolpatcsh Verkinder

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    Colin Powell is a neat guy. He got paid an large fee to come to UT and speak on the benifits of volunteerism.

    Nice work if you can get it.
     
  13. gr8-1

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    I'm a Democrat, but I think Jackson is shi!t. What Jesse loves is the camera, he loves attention. Would Jackson be involved in the NU football death if that guy whas white? JJ makes me ashamed to be a Democrat.


    As for infidelity, I'll let that go. I can guarantee you 90% of Congress has cheated on their wives, so why should I hold Jackson to a higher standard ?

    As for the bible, did it say anything about how wrong it was to hang blacks?
     
  14. gr8-1

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    Who are you to judge what someone does to his wife? You think Republicans don't cheat on their wives? Look at Gingrich before you classify anyone. He is a cold-hearted jerk who left his wife when she was on her hospital bed after brain surgery.
     
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    One reason to hold Jackson to a higher standard is that (as a Reverand) he purports to hold himself to a higher standard. He has himself referred to as REVERAND Jesse Jackson.

    He has weasled out an enviable lifestyle for himself on the backs of his donors. His house of cards will fall when they can make headway tracing the money. Maybe we should call him King or Sheik instead of Reverand....

    The most shocking thing about the interview was the revelation that Jackson's wife knew about the affair and the baby a full year and a half before the news broke.

    Was Jackson being treated preferentially by the "Liberal Media?"
    He traveled to LA to see his child on a semi-regular basis. I know he travels a lot but still!

    Yes, other men (even Republicans!) have failed in their pledges of fidelity to their wives, but NOT ONE of them so egotistically offered the services of their counsel to President Clinton in his previous times of woe--- except Jackson.

    HE HAS TOO BE: 1) Stupid, 2) Beyond Arrogant, or 3) Kidding.

    BTW, I heard a good Monica Lewinsky joke: Did you know that Monica Lewinsky just turned 28? It's hard to believe that just 4 years ago she was crawling around on the carpet of the Oval Office!
     
  16. MadMax

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    Ottomaton -- the Old Testament was not superseded by the New Testament. They work in combination. The Old Testament is no less divinely inspired than the New Testament...at least that's what the majority of Christian denominations profess. There are arguments to be made for both sides of abortion and death penalty and a scattering of other issues within a Christian framework. I go back and forth on the death penalty issue...I'm very solid in my belief that abortion is an abominaton before God.

    Having said all that...I'm a Republican...that has little or nothing to do with my faith in God. I am not a Republican who votes for social issues. While I may find them important, ultimately what I'm voting on are issues like the size of government and what I believe is best for a market economy. Republicans as well as Democrats are sinners. We are ALL in need of the sacrifice Christ made...none of us is good enough to say, "Christ, I could get to Heaven without you! Thanks for that whole crucifixion thing, but turns out I don't need it! I'm good enough to get in on my own merit." That right there is the very basis of Christianity. It's the starting point for people on both sides of the political aisle and even those in the middle! :)

    As for the "who are you to judge" statements....come on!! Like you don't judge people??? What society in the world doesn't judge people?? We have some accepted rules of behaviors in a society...sometimes we formalize them and call them laws...sometimes we call them morals...other times we call them shared values. Nevertheless, you'll be hard pressed to find just a ton of people who think cheating on their wife is an acceptable practice. I'll judge it right now....it's freaking wrong!!! There..I just judged it!! You know what else.??? It's wrong to murder someone...there, I just judged everyone who has ever murdered someone. Moral relativism gets you no where. Ultimately, there has to be some acknowledgement by a society of right and wrong. When a man stands up and calls himself a man of God...when he counsels other men who are struggling with infidelity...when he is considered a leader....he is held to a higher standard. A standard he set out for himself....and he fell short of it. That's wrong....and anyone of us is capable of judging that.
     
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    I don't know if you're defending finalsbounds statements, but there is a difference between someone judging someone on their actions (a person who murders someone is a murderer by definition, not judgement). There is a difference between seeing someone's actions and judging them, and just making a blanket statement about an entire group of people. Besides, saying that someone cheating on their wife is wrong isn't a judgement, it's an opinion. If you immediately assume that the man is a scumbag and can't be trusted, and you think he cheats on everyone and use the "once a cheater, always a cheater" theme THAT is judging someone and their situation.
     
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  18. Jeff

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    Are we talking religion AGAIN!!!???

    Personally, I think Jackson is an idiot. Beyond that, infidelity is not a sin exclusive to Christianity. Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam and Judiasm, the other big world religions, all classify infidelity as improper.

    I do think it is terribly hypocritical to call yourself a man of God in the Christian sense and then go out and do something so directly contrary to that. Of course, Jackson isn't the first and won't be the last. Baker, Fallwell, hordes of Catholic priests, a former pastor of mine, etc. etc.

    Everyone, however, is hypocritical. We all do things we say we are against. It is part of being human. It is nearly impossible to follow every tennant of religion in our Western world. You'd have to follow a monastic life and dedicate yourself to nothing BUT your religion to do that. As it says, "we all fall short of the glory of God." That is just human nature. I mean, the Bible didn't say, "Thou shalt not kill 'humans except for war or crime'". The Bible said, "Thou shalt not kill." We represent that as meaning humans only with except for capital punishment or war, etc., but the Bible didn't make that distinction for us.

    All we can do is the best we can do. If that means we end up passing judgements or being hypocritical, that's part of life. We just have to learn from those mistakes. Not learning from a mistake is far worse than the mistake itself and continuing to judge and be hypocritical just because we are human and not trying to change that doesn't make that right either. "Judge not," after all.

    Oops, sorry, I judged. Damn!!! :D
     
  19. heypartner

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    How could Jesus shack up with a w****?

    How could followers of Jesus not be willing to forgive human transgressions, even though the Bible explicitly states that Jesus did!
     
  20. Rocketman95

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    I used to know this black guy and he scored like a 600 on his SAT.

    Thank God that happened because I now know that smartness and African-Americans is an oxymoron.
     

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