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[Jerusalem Post] Jewish terrorist kills three on bus in Shfaram

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  1. tigermission1

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    More trouble in the ME before the planned Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, while they are still expanding their illegal settlements in West Bank of course...

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1123121934718

    Jewish terrorist kills three on bus in Shfaram
    By YAAKOV KATZ, MARGOT DUDKEVITCH AND JPOST STAFF

    In what police are calling an incident of Jewish terrorism, a Jewish man dressed in Border Police uniform opened fire on a bus in the northern town of Shfaram Thursday evening, killing at least 3 people and wounding nearly a dozen more.

    The shooter, Eden Tzuberi, 19, was also killed when he was assaulted by a mob of furied bystanders and witnesses. A crowd of thousands gathered around site of the attack and surrounded the bus, where the attackers body still lay. Hundreds of police headed to the area to rein in the crowds.

    The suspect was a resident of the West Bank settlement of Tapuah and was well-known to police for extremist views. He was a member of the outlawed ultra-Right-wing Kach party and has been listed as AWOL from the IDF, with his personal firearm remaining in his hands, for over a year.

    Sources in the Shin Bet said that they had received no warning of plans by Jewish extremists to attack Israeli Arabs. Far-right activists told The Jerusalem Post that they had seen the shooter at anti-disengagement events.

    The gunman opened fire on bus 165 from Haifa to Shfaram as the vehicle reached the town's Druse neighborhood.

    Shfaram is a mixed village made up of roughly 50 percent Muslims as well as Druse and Christians.

    Among the victims were two adolescent girls and the driver of the bus. The shooter also directed his fire outside the bus, and the casualties included people outside the bus.

    Five victims wounded in the shooting were evacuated to Rambam Hospital in Haifa. All were in moderate to serious condition, ZAKA officials reported.

    The six Magen David Adom ambulances that answered the alert had difficulty reaching the scene of the incident to evacuate additional victims because of the crowds that had gathered at the site.

    A furied mob of the neighborhood's residents stormed the bus in order to neutralize the shooter, trapping him inside. Police forces gathered inside and near the bus to guard the suspect from the mob, but owing to the crowds, could not evacuate him from the bus.

    An enraged witness to the incident said, "If this attack had occurred in a Jewish neighborhood and the attacker was Arab, he would have been killed immediately. The police came and they didn't do anything!" he said. "The police didn't even shoot the attacker – they were holding him alive in the bus."

    In the ensuing riots, an additional four people were injured.

    Police in the bus were in constant contact with intelligence forces.
     
  2. losttexan

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    There are groups on both sides that just want the violence to continue.
     
  3. tigermission1

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    Is there any truth to the theory that some people just love misery?
     
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    Hate and mistrust can be a powerful thing. People can learn to live with it for so long that peace can become a scary proposition.
     
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    The guy who did this is on the same level with Muslim terrorists in London, Madrid and other places, maybe with the only difference being the amount of planning that went into the killings.
     
  6. tigermission1

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    That whole region is a damn mess, it's like one big reality show full of endless twists and turns.

    I pity those who live in Iceland or some other obscure place where you can feel completely disconnected from world events, knowing fully well that no one gives a f*k about you and you don't give a f*k about anyone.

    What other places fit the bell? Maybe Greenland? I don't know...New Zealand? May be some Meditarrenean island in the middle of nowhere...actually scratch that, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near the Med Sea ;)
     
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  7. tigermission1

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    I think that's exactly what I was refering to, may be they don't want peace? May be it will force them to actually pay attention to every day life's needs, and that might be too much for them to handle.
     
  8. Sishir Chang

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    Terrorism of any sort is awful but I'm sad to say I'm not totally surprised by it. The middle east is locked in a cycle of violence and given the fear and anger engendered among extremists settler groups from both Palestinian attacks and also the planned movement of them out of Gaza something like this was almost expected.

    I'm not condoning it but I think it but I think it would be wrong to be consider this some sort of aberrant act with no context.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Extremist settler groups would support getting rid of all Arab peoples in the area regardless of Palestinian attacks or a planned Gaza pull out. That may increase their activity, but the goal of those groups is kill or displace all the Arabs in the land they believe should be ISrael's.
     
  10. Refman

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    I oppose the Israeli expansion because I think the Palestinians need a homeland.

    OOTH, keep in mind that the UN created the state of Israel post WW2. How exactly are the settlements "illegal?"
     
  11. tigermission1

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    Umm...What does that have to do with the actual state of ISrael? I am talking about the ongoing expansion of what the UN deems as illegal settlements beyond the pre-1967 border, also called the "green line".

    I am talking about settlements inside Palestinian territory in the West Bank and Gaza. Israel is now taking steps to remove the illegal ones in Gaza, but vowed to keep the major settlements in the West Bank and annex them in any peace deal with the Palestinians, which would further eat up more than 25% of the West Bank. Israel is also taking concrete steps to change the demographics in Jerusalem to keep a Jewish majority there and acquire East Jerusalem in any future peace settlement with the Palestinians.

    The state of Israel itself is a legal entity recognized by the UN, but land-grabbing has been going on for a while now, it's really nothing new, even the Bush administration has protested it numerous times to the Sharon government, but to no avail.

    BTW, relative to all this talk about extremist settlers and their allies in Israel opposing the withdrawal from Gaza, Israeli intelligence have been concerned about possible assassination of PM Sharon, and some extremist Rabbis in fact have reportedly given what equals a "fatwa" to take out Sharon if he went about removing the settlements in Gaza.

    I hope we don't have another Rabin incident on our hands, things could get messy during the pullout.
     
  12. FranchiseBlade

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    There settlements are illegal because they aren't in the land allotted by the UN in 1948.

    The land is occupied following military action which under the geneva convention might be legal, if they didn't build permanent settlements. Once they built permanent settlements which displace the native population then it becomes illegal.
     
  13. VinceCarter

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    im surprised that this is getting so much attention....Israeli’s have mistreated the Palestinians for decades...and a lot worse things have happened than this....funny really how the world works.....
     
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    and then you hear people on the radio(today on fm 90.1 or something) claiming that palestinians whole point of existence is to exterminate the peace loving Jews. As if the Israeli's are all innocent. Both sides have their problems, and both are in my opinion actually are working towards a more peacefull tommorow...*hoppppefully*

    blah...
     
  16. Deji McGever

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    Shfaram is a Druze village. The idiot couldn't even kill the right Arabs. Druze are pro-Israeli and volunteer for comabt jobs in the IDF. Also, they make the best labane.

    If he had picked another Arab village to shoot people up in, especially within the Territories, there would be full scale riots. Of course, considering how militant the Druze are, it might have minimized the casulties that they immediately pounced on him.

    Strange that the story as it is, isn't really being told.
     
  17. HayesStreet

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    Thought it was good that Sharon came out immediately and labelled these guys 'Jewish terrorists.'

    Not sure why the settlements are illegal. Its ok to occupy the territory but not build anything on it? That can't be right - that's idiotic.
     
  18. FranchiseBlade

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    Building permanent settlements on it is against the 4th geneva convention. You are entitled to think it is idiotic, but that doesn't make them legal.

    Israel could claim the land as conquered territory and build what they want on them, but they would never do that because that would make Jews outnumbered in Israel.
     
  19. HayesStreet

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    You got some kinda link for this, FB?

    :confused: Don't understand this statement.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    Sure I will provide a link later. A long long time ago I posted the relevant sections of the geneva convention. I will find the link and repost it.

    The part that was confusing I will try and see if I can communicate better. Israel could have at the time of the war made the occupied territories part of Israel proper as a result of conquered lands instead of occupied territories. But doing that would have made Palestinians the majority say in the country and ruined the idea of a Jewish homeland, so they merely designated the area as occupied status which has a different set of mandates governing them. Israel will never make those territories part of Israel for the same reason they are against the right of return for Palestinians. With too many Palestinians and Arabs then the state of Israel won't be a Jewish state anymore.
     

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