Jenna's Farewell

DREAMer,

I need to get some sleep, so don't have the time to give a full writeup like I should. I should be able to do it Saturday evening. Since you didn't name names of those you deem guilty, I might have been included on your list. Since you are calling us (me) out, be prepared to respond to the points I will make in my post Saturday evening.

BTW, I never used profanity or anything offcolor in discussions or debates with Jenna or any other poster on this BBS.

Mango

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All the fuss over opposing views! Can't we all just get along and agree to disagree! I think Jenna did overreact...I didn't see any personal attacks going on...just questions over opposing views. Hell...everyone has had their smack thrown back at them in forums every once in a while. If there is a conspiracy against Jenna, I certainly don't see it. If the WNBA debate was face-to-face, I don't think Jenna would have stormed out of the room in disgust. I think it would have been interpreted as being more "civil" and just being what it really is...opposing views and questioning others views. If there's something wrong with that, then we need to get rid of all forums on the Internet because it goes on every second of every day. It does not constitute conspiracies against certain individual posters most of the time....certainly not this time. If Jenna chooses to leave, then that is her perogative. But, plenty of people like her around here and in the chatroom so she should not be commenting that everyone is out to blast anything Jenna says as false and wrong. I'm certainly not and I can think of a ton of other forum members who aren't out to do that, also. Get over it!

Surfguy

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Have you ever forgotten to take out the trash? All of a sudden you're having hell incarnate brought down upon you only to find out 10 days ago you did something more substantial, or that was taken out of context.

That's the way I read Jenna's plea. I wrote a post on break yesterday, and I believe I was poster #19 (I have no idea if the post got much longer than that). But I do feel as if everyone was civil with Jenna (at the time). I pointed it out then and I'll point it out again, we tease/argue each other alot worse than that WNBA exchange on a daily basis.

The only way anything will change is if:
a) she changes her moniker. I have dibs on ShannonTweed34.

b) something easier... just posting "I'm a dork, oops". She put herself on the precipice. She didn't fall over.

<font size="1" color="003366">The opinions expressed were those of a male. When read by one of Dreamer's females please imagine a dream sequence before and after the post with flowers and bunnies. The opinions expressed do not represent the BBS, Achebe or FABR</font>

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Dreamer,
Recently, ClutchCity.Net lost a long-time member. She always posted clear well thought out posts. She never posted crap like, "shooting Hakeem", or "Trade Hakeem for Garnett". She was an asset.

I agree.

What I am upset about is the way some members totally trashed her. I guess I'm partially mad, because she is a woman, and I was brought up to treat men and women differently. I mean, I'll yell at a dude without giving it a second thought, but yelling at a girl would just be chickensh**. Remember women react differently to conflict and/or rivalry. They are not raised (for the most part) to desire competition. They don't have Testosterone.... But I've thought about it and I still think some of you overreacted regardless of her gender.

Can you give any instances of this? Who totally trashed her? What does her being a woman and not having testosterone have anything at all to do with this?

So, why did so many people get so upset about her post? Why does it matter if one member tries to get attention by posting a thread about them leaving or posting a thread about some dumbass trade that'll never happen? Or some poster emailing you and asking you to respond to their thread to keep it alive....

Ive never gotten upset by her posts. I got a little peeved by that one though. SHE is the one creating this imaginary rivalry between her and this "WWF" BBS as she called it. SHE was as guilty as anyone else, if not more so, in creating tension in that WNBA thread. To blame fellow posters of this BBS for making her leave is a cop out.

Another thing I don't understand is how many people were telling her that she should just ignore posts that she found irritating, and not complain about them. But, those same people were complaining about her post.... hmmmm Why didn't they take their own advice and just ignore her post? I don't know.

I think you are taking this out of context. People werent complaining about her post. She tried to make points about the BBS and its atmosphere, and people tried to refute them.

I just think she got treated like a newbie who just posted fourteen topics in 2 minutes all about dumbass stuff that has been hashed and rehashed.

I disagree. How can you honestly compare the response Jenna got to the FABR fiasco? You are really reaching there.

If ya'll didn't want to her come back, why didn't you just say it without crossing the line. Or if you didn't like her post, why couldn't you express that in a civil way? I don't know... maybe the whole newbie influx is starting to affect the entire quality of the BBS. Or maybe we're all in a bad mood after our 34 win season. Whatever the reason the outcome was not what I've come to expect out of the members here, especially some of the "senior" members.


Again, how did anyone cross the line? Most of the people in that last thread were not "newbies". None of the senior members were out of line. Their arguments were well reasoned and did not resort to name-calling or such.

Jenna was an asset.

For whatever reason, she cannot tolerate the BBS. Maybe the BBS changed, maybe she did. No one can say for sure. Change in of itself is not bad though. If this parting is beneficial for Jenna, which she evidently believes, then I am happy for her.

She was an asset. According to her, she wont be anymore. I am not going to lose sleep over it. There are plenty more interesting posters on this board.

my 2 cents.

Awaiting Mango's response.

 

I agree.

Jenna was a great poster. No doubt about it. But, she made her final post seem to be some sort of ultimatum (even if her intention to leave was always present). Either you agree with me all the time or else I'll leave. What? Did she think we would all cry and beg for her to come back? Yeah right.

I think she had some type of problem with the fact that some people could not understand her love for the Jazz. Seemingly, she began to take any one slightly negative comment and made it out to be something outrageously big. She saw the word "stupid" on a post, and immediately stated that we were all against her. She let the fact that she's a Jazz fan bother her, not the other way around. Sure, some people were dumb about it, but most of us kept our cool (even if we didn't understand her love for Karla).
Sometimes, people come into this board posting a bunch of BS. So what? Leave them be or kick them out. FABR was an idiot and he attempted to offend some people. He wasn't part of the BBS, he tried to stain the community. It's not like Elie#17 is now declaring that he's leaving because we're all saying "your mean" whenever he posts.

Eventually, all of her posts either whined about the deterioration of the BBS or her hatred of the WNBA. Why don't you just give the damn tickets to someone else? I sure as hell would love to go to a Comets game. I've never been to one...

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Whoa, what happenned? Did I do this? I need to start reading this board more often, I miss a lot of stuff. Could someone tell me if I ran Jenna away? Was it the WNBA post? It really wasn't that bad.

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On the ticket thing:

Jenna always complains about how she hates going to games, which already pisses me off to begin with. Then, she says how much she hated the WNBA from the very beginning, yet she has season tickets and whines about how bad the WNBA is and how she never gets excited during these games.
What? Everyone makes fun of suits who come to watch the games (leaving the real fan out on the street), but we can't say anything about Jenna's lack of enthusiasm?

When did anyone cross the line? I don't know if you consider me a senior member, but I sure as hell didn't. Jenna herself said more by bashing the entire BBS based on four posts that weren't even that insulting anyway.

I'm sorry if I feel like her self-centered post was a bunch of crap based on just that.

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Dreamer,
I am not referring to any other post except her last one, which let us all know that she was leaving.

You cant deny that post and the WNBA one were not connected though. She sited it as an example as why she was leaving. It is hard to talk about the last post w/o talking about that one.

In THAT particular post, it is my opinion that a few senior member posters went overboard in their reaction to that particular post. I don't want to name names, but anyone who read it, knows who they are.

IMO, I did not see that. But I guess we differ on that. I wish I could actually SEE the post again to determine this, cuz w/o examples this is a moot discussion.

You guys are not comprehending the point I'm trying to make. I'm not talking about her being a Jazz fan. I'm not talking about her hating the WNBa. I'm not talking about her inability (real or imagined) to take criticism. I'm not talking about anything, but how some members lashed out at her in her final post. It showed a lack of class.

Some members did, but i dont think it was any "senior" poster as you mentioned. And speaking of lack of class, what about her final post? She could have said her goodbyes, and adios. She did not need to take a shot at the BBS for her inability to handle it. But instead, JENNA showed a total lack of class.

 

Oh...I guess it wasn't me...phyew!

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Something momentous has occurred. The CriscoKidd has joined the 700 club.

Dreamer, you're leading us down a guessing game here. Please let us know what you mean. I admit that I only read the first 19 messages, so I may have missed something... but what are you talking about?

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DREAMer,

The WNBA/Comets thread was rolling along fairly smooth with regulars posting back and forth about women's basketball and related topics. Nothing major in the way of disagreement amongst the posters or hatred for the WNBA. Sentiment ranged from enjoying the WNBA to bored with it. It extended to a second page and then Jenna made her initial post in that thread.

Her opening remarks:

Jenna:
"I am a woman.

I play basketball.

I hate the WNBA."

She went on further explaining her dislikes about the WNBA, going to games and finding it exciting only one time.

She closed with:

"If people want to talk about the Comets, they should have their own place to do it -
they can create a website, whatever; give them a forum here. Do whatever you
want to do as long as I don't have to look at it."


She had to know that jumping into a relatively benign forum with such opinionated remarks was going to draw some reaction.
Why she complained about the subsequent postings is beyond me because she came into that forum looking for a firefight. Since her dislikes were based only on HER opinions, that is a position that is often difficult to defend.

She should have expected negative feedback since she really stuck her nose in that thread with a very opinionated opening.
Is that indicative of someone who does things in a clear well-thought out way?
Let us know.

In her farewell thread, nothing really out of line caught my eye. This BBS is comprised of Rocket fans and that is the only common thread. Everything else,

basketball knowledge
spelling ability
word usage
thought processes (ability to reason)
opinions
life experiences
etc

differ from individual to individual. There is a middle ground that can be reached on most of the above attributes, but there will always be some things that will fall outside the norm. Absurdity that annoys me, delights LHutz. Spelling errors that Achebe points out are not even noticeable to those who are the first to sit down in a classroom spelling bee.

Among some of the posts in that thread were Achebe mentioning elitist and I followed up with pretentious. Fairly close in agreement on that. If we had used marginal (offcolor) language, then I could agree that we displayed a lack of class. Elitist and pretentious are not even close to marginal language.

You are asking why did we have that impression of her? Glad you asked.

In the Karl Malone - Bullard feud thread,
http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/004918.html

Jenna takes Malone's side as expected.

Read her post toward the bottom addressed to Dreamshake and note that she comments about her waffles not arriving. I comment about her good fortune in life immediately afterward. Since this is a Rockets forum, bragging indirectly about her room service strikes me as very elitist/pretentious. Whether we are rich, poor or somewhere in between, it is not material to the discussions that we have. You already have knowledge about her having friends on several different NBA teams and her constant name-dropping in these forums.
Why did she do that?
To lend credibility to her opinions?
To show that she has stroke when most of the rest of us don't?
Let us know.

There was a thread about drafting and Leon Smith became a topic.
http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005154.html

Jenna has a post at 4:51 pm and she has fun with "Control V" and put in multiple times about Leon's troubles.

1) Because he was discovered wearing war paint and claiming to be an indian fighting Christopher Columbus a few short months ago.

That phrase is repeated a minimum of 5 times in that single post. It was annoying for me and probably others also that had to scroll down past the frivolous warpaint item.
She undoubtedly thought she was quite funny doing that.

On the same day, but another thread, posters are commenting about Leon Smith attending Rockets games. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/005146.html
Jenna mentioned that she had talked to him and didn't even realize that it was Leon.

I responded with a sarcastic comment about Leon needing to wear his warpaint so she could recognize him. My post about Leon's warpaint was less than 2 hours from her "Control V" posting about Leon and warpaint.
She acted as if she had no clue of the takeoff I had done on one of her earlier posts.
Why did she think that she could be funny, yet everyone else had to deal with her in a formal way? Pretentious? Elitist?
Let us know.

These are incidents that I have had direct involvement with. Ask around and other SENIOR members of this BBS can cite their own differences with Jenna.


Mango

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I like Jenna alot too. She and I have had some great exchanges on the BBS in Clutch Chat and via email, but I don't think this is a girl/boy, man/woman issue. My wife would never take that stuff seriously and, honestly, if it bothers you that much, why even post a big long "Whoa is me. I must leave..." stuff. Just go.

Don't get me wrong. I think Jenna is way cool and I don't want to hurt her feelings and, sure, the BBS can be a little rough at times but I can agree to disagree and even find common ground with just about anybody here.

I've certainly disagreed with Kagy, the Freak, Dr. No (SOR only) and numerous other over the years, but I've always been able to see this for what it is - a simple difference of opinion. I could take it personally, but why? With all due respect to ClutchCity and the BBS, I have more important things in my life to be concerned with then someone's flame in my direction on the BBS.

Jenna, if you are reading this, I don't mean to take any shots at you. God knows I've had enough people direct them my way. I didn't get many, but when SOR first started, I got some VERY nasty email. Some that I wouldn't be allowed to post here, but that didn't make me quit or piss me off. For every person who flames you, Jenna, there are 10 who think you are pretty cool, so, just ignore it and post because we like you here. Honest.

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I love you Jenna! come back sweetie.
I really enjoy reading the women's point of view at Clutchcity. I think that Smeggy Smeg, Heypartner, and Yourself are the best damn female basketball minds around. I really hope you come back.
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That is Jenna, not Jeanna

Mango,

I am not that bad. I kept myself from counting the misspelled words in your friend's 2nd post. I bite my tongue unless I am bored.

Next, we will stop conjunctions on the bbs. j/k

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