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Jason Williams is a complete head case

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by RunninRaven, May 10, 2001.

  1. RunninRaven

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    http://espn.go.com/magazine/friend_20010509.html

    It's been 88 games now, and Jason Williams still can't get off the bench late in the fourth quarter. We're 88 games in, and "White Chocolate" or "White Boy" or "JWill" or "JWon't" -- or whatever his name is these days -- is absolutely no factor. He starts, but he doesn't finish, and you wonder finally if all the pampering has taken its toll.

    They're afraid of him, you know. They're afraid he'll snap. We're talking about his handlers here; we're talking about his agent, his daddy, his brother. They'll all tell you, "Don't ask him about his mother." Or, "Don't ask him about the weed he smoked." Or, '"Only ask about basketball." And you start wondering if he's ever going to grow up, this fragile wanna-be point guard who his coach refuses to trust. This fragile wanna-be point guard who is all flash and had all of two points against the Lakers Tuesday night.

    He is not an awful kid, although we all know there's anger there -- ridiculous, uninformed anger. Earlier this year, at Golden State, he made those ethnic slurs to the Asian spectators, telling them he'd shoot 'em like in Vietnam. Someone should've made him pay for that, and we're talking game checks, several of them. This is the son of a West Virginia cop, and he has snapped at fans from San Antonio to Portland, and you know his daddy the cop hated that.

    "He does that, and I tell him, I don't like it, I don't like when he talks to the crowd," says the daddy, Terry Williams. "I think it takes away from his game, and I've told him. I say, 'You're in the game, and you're chatting with people in the crowd during the game, it's taking away from your game. He doesn't say anything. He listens. ... He can chit-chat with the players on the floor and talk trash and stuff if he wants to, but I just don't think he should talk to people in the crowd. Whether he's listening to me, that's a different story."

    Someone needs to make him listen, make him play defense, make him into a player. Because he's 25 now, and he's already been suspended five games under the league's drug policy, and his dog is actually named Sweet Pea after a chronic drug user named Lloyd Daniels. He is already self-mutilating his body. He has his right fingers tattooed with W-H-I-T and he has his left fingers tattooed with E-B-O-Y, and it makes his daddy the cop, and his brother, who's also a cop, cringe. "It's ridiculous,"Terry Williams says.

    It's too late to do something about it now, but maybe they could've done something back then. Back when he was a junior high and high school kid, back when his mother and father split up bitterly. Back when he began refusing to speak to her, back when he was ticked off because he'd heard rumors she'd slept with another man.

    They all saw him turn into a recluse then, saw him hide in a gym every night. On the one hand, it could've been worse. He could've turned to drinking. But he never did -- even now he won't drink beer. But by the time he hit the University of Florida, he admits he began smoking joints, and he admits he turned antisocial, and his father and his brother would try to come down on him, but his father is just generally too gentle of a man. And it was too late by then. He'd tune his father out, the same way he'd begun to tune all you fans out by the time he got to the NBA.

    You should hear him talking about autographs. He hates giving them, can't look you in the eye when you ask for one. He's ashamed of something, maybe himself, but he's 25 now, and you wonder if he's going to get over it, if he's ever going to grow up.

    "There's some crazy people around here," Jason Williams says of his Sacramento fans, "and I'm thankful for all the fans I have and all the publicity I get, but I just want to stay at home, and some people can't understand that. But that's just what I want to do. People say, 'Ah, I'd die to be in your shoes or die to have people asking me for my autograph everywhere I go', and I tell them, no, you wouldn't. You don't want that, you don't WANT it.

    "Sometimes it's annoying. Any little kid that asks for an autograph, I'm going to say yes, unless I'm at the mall or something. 'Cause if I tell a little kid yes at the mall, then I'll have a line of people. I just try to tell them, no, I'm sorry, I don't do that. But I'll shake your hand.

    "And I'm apologizing to you for nothing, really. And then if they say, 'Well, why won't you sign?' Well now I'm going to be an a------. Because I don't have to tell you why. Who are you? You know what I mean? I'm being nice enough just to shake your hand, and to tell you I'm sorry for nothing. So don't disrespect me when I tell you, 'No, I'm sorry, I don't do that.'

    "Everybody thinks I should give an autograph whenever they ask. And everybody thinks I should be the way they want me to be. But I'm not going to do that. I'm me. I'm going to be me. Just like Slim Shady says, 'I am what you say I am.' Or whatever."

    So, that's why his father moved 3,000 miles to Sacramento three years ago, to see that his son behaved. To be there when the walls collapsed around him. Because, after his amazing rookie season, that's what's happened. Jason didn't work hard the summer after his first season, which is why his sophomore NBA season was a bust. He did work hard last summer, but he's still the same inconsistent guy. You wonder why. His coach pulls him out of games for hoisting absurd 30-footers, and he still doesn't stop hoisting. His coach, Rick Adelman, is the only one who seems to be trying to crack the whip. His father won't do it. He lends an ear, but he doesn't want to tell him the harsh truth. It's too bad.

    Sometimes, his agent Bill Pollak, tries to get through to the kid. But he seems misguided, too. Before we at the magazine interviewed Jason earlier this season, Pollak was adamant that there be no questions about Jason's mother, that there be no reference in our story to his mother. "If he sees something about his mother, he'll crack," Pollak said. "I'll have to pick up the pieces. He's doing so well. Don't ruin it. Don't set us back."

    So Bill Pollak refused to trust us, and he wouldn't let us do a cover shoot with Jason because of it, and he protected him like a 12-year-old, and if Jason can't be asked a question about his mother at 25 years old, then what can the Sacramento Kings truly expect of him, in the playoffs, at crunch time?

    His teammates aren't helping any, either. Chris Webber doesn't tell Jason to suck it up and play defense and share the ball, because Chris Webber is Jason's guy, and Chris Webber is not going to do what Charles Oakley did to Vince Carter.

    "I mean, you can't exaggerate how close we've become," Webber says of Williams. "Since the first day. Since I did the first drill with him I knew it was going to be something special with me and him. I knew it. Just the way he handled the ball and wore his shorts and wore his shirt, probably the way that not most traditional people would like. But I knew I could tell by his style that he wasn't afraid, and that's all you can ask for.

    "I just remember him being himself, that little swagger. It may appear to some to be lackadaisical, but it's just really him getting into his groove. Just watching him, I remember him just showing what he had.

    "And the black guys, when they saw him play, they weren't saying, 'He plays black,' they were saying, 'Jason's got game' or 'He played in playgrounds.' And that's about it. And that's the first thing I noticed about him. Like I said, the way he wore his clothes. It wasn't that he wore 'em like a black guy or baggy. Guys at Michigan wore their shorts baggy that way. White or football players. It's a fraternity of athletes that kind of have that ... we're different than the other athletes. He's in that group of athletes that feel like, yo, I'm not just an average athlete, I've got to do this. I'm trying to take my game to another level.

    "And I think all my friends, whether it's been at the barber shop or my buddies that have met him, they love his game. They'll say, 'That white boy can play.' That's about the extent of it. Or, 'Where did he learn those moves or what does he do to get the handles like that?' "

    What Webber says is well and good, and Williams truly is a remarkable playground player, from the elbow passes he did in the rookie all-star game a year ago to the drop-kick passes he does in practice. And there's the time he bet teammate Vlade Divac he could bank three shots in a row off the 24 second clock and into the hoop. He missed the first one on purpose, just so Vlade would go ahead and bet him. And then when it was an official bet, JWill hit three in a row.

    He should be the next white Globetrotter. But the thing is, Jason Williams says he wants to play in the NBA, wants to play at crunch time, wants to be the man with the ball. That's why he took that ugly three-point shot at the end of one playoff game against Phoenix and that's why he challenged Shaq on a late drive in Game 1 against L.A. And it's amazing he's even been in the game at those times, because on Tuesday night, once again, Adelman wouldn't use him, wouldn't dare use him.

    And so Jason Williams slouches on the bench now, with a towel draped over his head, in full pout position, and you are hoping and praying somebody, anybody will come over and say, "Sit up straight. Sit up straight, once and for all." It has to happen. One of these days, it has to.


    Some of the article seems a bit excessive, like the whole "body mutilation." Getting "White Boy" tattooed on your knuckles is not mutilation. I bet this guy doesn't think that Shaq's superman tat is mutilation. If JWill was lighting it up and playing well, everyone would say his "White Boy" tattoo was clever and witty...

    But the rest of the article is very telling about this kid. He always seems just out of control on the court, like his erratic play is his own way of running from his own personal problems, and any moment he could snap.

    Maybe some day he will get it together in his head. If he does, i think he could be one of the most exciting point guards in the league, but if he doesn't, he will be just another head case who had what it takes in body, but not in mind.

    See Cato, Kelvin.


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    Interesting article RR, I'm glad to see the writer honored the agents wishes and didn't talk about JWill's mom. [​IMG]

    I don't know why, but after reading this article, I hope Williams can turn it around and do something with himself. It's kind of sad that a guy that gets paid money to play basketball is as unhappy as Jason appears.

    He clearly has some serious emotional issues and this writer comes off as a complete ass for writing about Jason's family problems and then make fun of him by calling him JWont or a wannabee point guard.

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  3. RunninRaven

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    I agree that it would be nice if Williams could turn it around, because he is a good player, but I don't think the writer violated any agreement. He said that the agent told him he couldn't ask Jason any questions about his mom if they interviewed him. Because of these things, it looks as if ESPN turned down the interview.

    But as for the rest of it, it is sad that the writer feels it necessary to make jokes at Williams expense, because it generally is not a good thing to kick a man when he is down (except Pippen, who I do not regard as a man [​IMG]), but if Williams wants to be able to make it in this league, he will have to learn to put up with far more than a single writer's stinging literary barbs.

    Personally, I never had a clue as to how bad Williams was, mentally, until I read this article (and that is still taking into account the tendency of writers to exaggerate).

    But you are right, the way the article is written, the author sounds like a jerk, possibly even a bit upset that he couldn't conduct an interview the way he really wanted.

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    Man, he really IS like Eminem...

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    Funny thing is . . .you guys are coddling JWill
    like everyone else. . . . Maybe this is what
    he needs. SOME STARK REALITY!

    JWill cannot be protected forever . . .He
    has to grow up.
    I think the author maybe biased but not unlike
    a jillion others when they cover Rockets etc.


    another thing . . . .is it me or are Athletes
    so f*cking thin skinned these days
    U got Bob Sura Mad cause areas play Slim Shady
    You can't smack the backboard cause it's taunting

    Jeese!!

    Grow the f*ck up!!

    Rocket River

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    Damn, Webber sounded stupid! Do we really want this guy?

    He knew Williams could play because of the way he wore his cothes?

    And even though he said it was not a black/white thing, it so clearly is.

    Williams is a white guy who plays like a 15 year old black kid. Unlike Iverson, Francis, Marbury, or any other street-trained player, Williams has not allowed any maturity into his game.

    Williams is a chump. He is not a good shooter, scorer (10 ppg?), has no court vision (low assist, high turnovers).

    If you take away one elbow pass, a few no-look passes that actually connect, a lot of running around like a chicken with tis head cut off, his tatties, and his "hip-hop" way of wearing clothes...he is just a scrub who does not deserve to be called a star, to have endorsements, etc...

    Hell, John Stockton is a better point guard -- and will be for the next 5 years (even after he retires).

    I do feel sorry for Williams, though. He is getting all this pressure to an already fragile mental state...there is no way he can ever live up to the hype and his carreer will probably be cut short.

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    Enough with the black/white thing. Can you at least say he plays like a playground baller? Not all 15 year old black kids play the same way. This statement emplies that none of them play with any maturity and they're all just flash.

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    Talk about "sounding stupid."


    "Williams is a chump" is your opinion, but a low scoring average does not (necessarily) mean Jason Williams is not a good shooter. Next to Allan Houston, Jason Williams has one of the nicest shots in the league.

    This is the first time I've heard/read someone describe Jason Williams as having "no court vision" -- because of his supposed "low assist, high turnovers."

    Although statistics do not measure a player's (cumulative) contribution, they (statistics) are better indicators of a player's productivity than personal opinions and incorrect information -- exaggerated for dramatic effect.

    Jason Williams
    This Season's Assist-to-Turnover Ratio: 5.4 to 2.1 = 2.57
    Career: 6.3 to 2.9 = 2.17

    Jason Kidd
    This Season: 9.8 to 3.7 = 2.65
    Career: 9.4 to 3.3 = 2.85

    The numbers are comparable...but Kidd is kind of "vanilla." How does Jason Williams compare to a PG who looks to score?

    Steve Francis
    This Season: 6.5 to 3.3 = 1.97
    Career: 6.5 to 3.6 = 1.81


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    John Stockton is a better point guard than Jason Williams. And will be for some time, because Stockton has a superior court sense than Williams and is more under control at all times than the erratic Williams.

    And Jason Williams has one of the most screwed up shots in the game. Off-balance, from thirty feet away is not a pretty shot, its a stupid one. And the next game that Williams plays defense will be his first.

    Williams may become a nice role player, Kidd and Francis are stars.

    Why do you think that Bobby Jackson, and not Williams, finishes games down the stretch for the Kings? Because Jackson is better.

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    University Blue, Ever heard of a follow through? Williams doesn't have one on his shots. I only like the fact that he has a quick release.

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    S_F-r:

    I only made that comparison because he is always said to be a white guy who "plays black" -- I never say it because I just think he plays stupid. The 15 year-old comparison was just an exxagerration to show that he is not mature at all in his game, so if he were to be compared to a stereotypical black player, it would have to be a young kid. Would a 9 year old be better?

    I am ot the one who brought the black/white thing in...all these other people are - like Webber. Hell, I have been told before i don't play like a white guy, play black, etc...I think it is stupid and ask people not to say that.

    University,

    Stockton is better and will always be remembered as better. The 5 years thing was obviously an exaggeration...but Stockton still would have greater maturity and court smarts/vision.

    Sure, stats don't mean everything, but does 9 and 5 really make a good point guard? Now in the playoffs it is 10 and 2.7.

    And he has a great shot???? he shot 40% during the season. Sure, he is probably a better shooter, but it is so low because of all of his stupid jacks -- thus my little kid analogy.

    My assist/turnover ratio thing was not my only issue with his court vision...I have seen him play a decent amount and have seen many errant passes or no passes that should have been made to those wide open.

    Yes, "Williams is a chump" is just my opinion...but it is just a reaction to those wanting him to be a superstar (thining he is). When you have Webber, an amazing shooter in Stojacovic, and one of the highest scoring teasm in the league, you would expect more than5 assists (2.7 in the playoffs) a game from their "star point guard."



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    The fact that he makes off-balance shots tells you what a great shooter he is [sic]. However, we must be looking at two different players, because the Jason Williams I watch is in full control when he releases his shots.

    FG Percentage
    Jason Williams
    41% Regular Season
    48% Playoffs

    Jason Kidd
    41% Regular Season
    32% Playoffs

    John Stockton
    50% Regular Season
    46% Playoffs

    Jason Williams has a very nice jump-shot.


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    University Blue

    He rarely makes those off-balance shots. And the Jason Williams you watch must be the one that plays for Duke.

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    Who is the role player? Someone who starts games or comes off the bench?

    Jackson is better (than Jason Williams)......at defense. That is why he plays at the end of games. Jason Williams, however, plays in crucial situations when Sacramento needs to score. If Jackson was really the better player, he would be starting.


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    Where are your "reactions" to posts about Francis, the superstar?


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    It is not who starts the games that counts, but who finishes them. Bobby Jackson finishes because he is the better player and more under control.

    And Williams is a role-player.

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    To compare Williams's shooting percentage to Kidd's proves nothing, because that is the main knock on Jason Kidd's game as well. How about comparing William's shooting percentage (regular season, so there is an actual decent sample size) to other decent point guards who aren't criticized as having a bad shot.

    Notice I didn't even get into the fact that shooting percentage does not indicate whether or not you have a good jump shot.

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    You're confused. Here is a handy-dandy list of differences between the Jason Williams who plays for Sacramento and the other one. Save it for future reference.

    Jason Williams (Sacramento)- J-Dub
    Jason Williams (Duke)- J-Dud

    Jason Williams (Sacramento)- White Chocolate
    Jason Williams (Duke)- Blue Devil

    Jason Williams (Sacramento)- No-Look Pass
    Jason Williams (Duke)- Collegiate Athletics

    Jason Williams (Sacramento)- All-Star Ballot
    Jason Williams (Duke)- All-Star Converse Shoes


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    This is really funny.

    Career FG%: 38, 3PT%: 30 = "great shooter"

    Career 11ppg, 2rpg, 6apg = premier point guard

    Playoff #'s: 9.6 ppg, 2 rpg, 2.9 apg, 1.1 a/to = superstar rising to the occasion

    Stop babying him just because he is white. If he was black, he would be called a scrub or backup.

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    Coach Thomas, I presume?


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