Hey fellow Rocket fans I don't have any problem with us losing games and some of you might say it's too early to say this things but as I have said in my other post entitled "Right now I'd rather have Barkley Back" I don't see the dedication, heart and fire in Mo T's game. I don't have a problem with Mo T but I have a problem with the way he plays. I've seen all of our games so far and I can see times when a ball bounces off the rim and Mo just stands still waiting for his team mates to grab the ball or pick it up. He doesn't give an effort in rebounding. I mean he's 6'9", young, and has an ideal power forward body but he could at least show some effort on rebounding or show us that he really wants the ball when it caroms off the rim. We lost Cato and that's at least 5-6 boards per game. Mo should at least step up on his rebounding. Tonight against Portland, Hakeem grabbed 2 boards which is not bad for a man his age. But Mo? 1 rebound. You can get anybody on the street who knows how to play the game and let them play in the NBA with the minutes Mo T's playing and he'll get 1 rebound. The past few games Collier has been more aggressive on the boards that sometimes he gets a lot of looseball fouls because he wants the rebound badly. Mo Taylor's offense is very good buthow can he expect to get the max next year when evrybody else on the team grabs more rebounds than him. It's been how many games now that he's grabbed 3, 2, 1 rebounds? This is not a good sign for us. I'd rather have someone who scores one point and grabs ten rebounds. ------------------ President of the Sir Charles Barkley Fan Club
Mo Taylor has played this way his whole career. No big surprise here. He's good for 14-17 points and 3-6 rebs a game. If he gets the max I sure as heck hope it's somewhere else because this guy is not the type of PF that's going to elevate our team to contender status. ------------------ "Somebody DO something out there." -Bill Walton
Amen. Mango ------------------ Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
Collier has a long way to come until he is as good as Mo'. As for Mo's upcoming contract negotiation, he IS NOT worth the max, anywhere. He has too much to prove still. ------------------ Only in America....do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.
When does he plan on proving it? Mango ------------------ Test Your NBA Trade Ideas 1. Put new topics in the proper forum. Things happening in the rest of the NBA 2. Use clear wording for new threads. 3. No duplicate threads 4. Conduct yourself as an adult. The Serious Police are watching. Donate Blood or be assimilated!
I also agree with Timing. He is not going to even make a minor improvement from last year. I can't see it happening. Sorry. ------------------ Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!
Here we go again. I thought some of you guys would learn after proclaiming Coller's career done after a couple of games, but apparently not. Quotes like "he is not even going to make a minor improvement from last year" basically is just doing the same thing all over again. You don't know anything, and I wish you guys would give him a chance before writing him off. In fact, you might want to take a look at this thread. http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009435.html Jeff had a chance almost none of us have had- to sit courtside and closely observe everyone on the Rockets. Among a ton of comments, I thought this one might be relevant. Mo always works hard to get rebounds but can't seem to come up with the ball. It is almost like he ends up in the wrong place or someone strips the ball or something. He busts his ass to get the ball but misses by a fingernail. That must get frustrating. It's just so funny that one week ago that Collier was the worst player in the entire NBA, and now he's better according to some of you than our big time FA acquisition loaded with talent. Just calm down and give them time. ------------------ REVOTE! REVOTE! REVOTE! Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
I thought Jeff said that Mo works hard for the rebound but it's just bad luck/being a little outta position that causes him to not get the board. I believe his quote was "he busts his ass to get the board but misses by a fingernail." If that is the case, then I don't think we should worry too much. Sooner or later, either through instruction by the coaches or by better luck, he'll start to get the boards. But also, Mo's lack of rebounding can partly be attributed to the guards rebounding very well. In any case, I hope that he does start to get more boards cuz we just got KILLED on the boards against Portland. We can't have any more poor rebounding games like that. ------------------ president of the dan langhi fan club.
Mo will be just fine. He won't get you 10 boards but sooner or later he will break out with a 25pt game. And why does Rudy put KT in there when Mo starts to get in the flow? And why does Francis wait until its 2:00 left in the first quarter to take his first shot? We need Francis to score some of those 30pt games like he did last year.
IMHO Mo's rebounding is not indicative of very much at this point. He was brought in to provide scoring punch and complement the Rockets outside game - which he does. Is he a boards monster? Far from it. Will he improve? Bet on it. He is a little out of postion in learning where the other Rockets take their shots and how things bounce. This is an aspect of rebounding which is more subtle than the obvious physical aspect. I didn't see any posters complain about the poor rebounding in the Vancouver win (21 points, 2 offensive boards) or the Lakers win (10 points, 8 rebs). Are we looking for scapegoats 'cause the Blazers hung a whipping on us? ------------------ GATER
Forget the Max, this MO guy dont even deserve a Maloney contract. We're not prematurely counting this guy out. There's no doubt he can explode for 30 points now and again, but he's just NOT GONNA GET THE JOBE DONE DEFENSIVELY ON THE BOARDS. I'd rather see KT out there working hard and helping the team out in every possible way as he showed he could do last year. 'Nough said. ------------------
Rebounding is instinctive. Knowing where to be when a shot is put up. That cannot be taught. If you don't have the instinct, you could get by with hustle (desire). MoTay lacks both of these. Rebounding can not be taught. Blocking out can be. Big difference. MoTay is not an aggressive player, never has been never will be. Strictly an offensive player. Nothing more. With Dream gone after this year, we need an aggressive rebounding player with some offensive skills. While Cato provides these, he cannot stay healthy. KT would be ideal, but he takes too many (way)outside shots and is inconsistent on the boards. Who could we get to fill this role next year? ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
Is there and echo in the building? This is almost exactly what was said about Collier, just over his overall game. Saying that it wasn't premature at all and that he was "not gonna get the job done." Where are those posts now? About the same place these about Mo will after you give him some time- gone. ------------------ REVOTE! REVOTE! REVOTE! Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
Bob, Jeff had a chance better than any of us could to see the Rockets individually and how they play. I strongly emphasize this quote. Mo always works hard to get rebounds but can't seem to come up with the ball. It is almost like he ends up in the wrong place or someone strips the ball or something. He busts his ass to get the ball but misses by a fingernail. That must get frustrating. I've watched every game this year, and IMO he does have a lot of hustle, and does want the ball when on defense. Stats don't tell the whole story. ------------------ REVOTE! REVOTE! REVOTE! Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
Mo isn't rebounding because he can't rebound for whatever reason. To attribute that to "bad luck" would be a stretch. How many mirrors did the guy break to have consecutive years of "no-rebounds-for-me" bad luck? Maybe a bowl of Lucky Charms would help, but I wouldn't hold my breath on Mo becoming an 8-9 reb/game player anytime soon Now watch him go do it and prove me wrong... ------------------ A friend of mine graduated from law school in May, and he's had a heck of a time finding work....He might be a moron, though. (I don't think he is, but one never knows. He was a moron when we were five years-old.) -- mrpaige reflects on his friends
Cat, I don't need a front row seat to tell me that Mo is not a rebounder. I have watched Mo since college and he never has been willing to "get down and dirty". ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
He seems to be working harder for the rebound than a slacker would be, not to mention it's a little tough to be agressive tipping the ball around when you just broke your finger. Will he be dominating off the glass, I doubt it. But he is heck of a lot more agressive than he was in LA. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
Just another excuse. But then he's had excuses his entire career so far. ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
Your absolutly right Bob, he has had excuses, what he needs is to produce. Right now his numbers are just what the were in LA. However, I have also seen a different attitude, but with the same results. Is it his finger, or is it his heart??? That I will never know. IMHHO I think that he will turn it up if the team in general turns it up. I see him a bit more agressive in games that the Rockets have the lead in, and less so in games they are getting worked over. That to me sounds like heart. ------------------ In the end there will be no judges...only witnesses to my greatness.
Agree. He showed he has no heart when he was in clipper land. Lets hope that changes. ------------------ In order to be a success in life, you need 2 things: 1. Don't tell everything you know.
