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Jamie Olis

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Pole, Apr 7, 2004.

  1. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    I try to never post in this forum, but I have a fear this will end up here anyway, so I figured I'd put it here to begin with. Given the demographics of this site, I don't expect much symphathy for white collar criminals, but I thought I'd reach out to you anyway. You probably already have an opinion on this, as do I. I don’t think Jamie Olis is completely without guilt. I have to think that surely he had some idea that “project Alpha” had elements of illegality to it, but I can only imagine that if one of the Big Five accounting firms sold my company some type of structure, my first inclination wouldn’t be to question its ethics; after all…..shouldn’t the accounting firm be held ultimately responsible? Or....at least all the bosses above me who signed off on the project. In my mind, Jamie’s “sentence” should have probably been a fine—somewhere along the magnitude of five to ten thousand dollars. Even if he was truly innocent, this would have sent a message that people need to be more diligent in ensuring the legality of the things they are involved with. Instead, Jamie has been sentenced to 24 years in federal prison with a maximum time off for good behavior of only about four years. Certainly, that should be sobering to quite a few people, but I wonder what kind of message it sends when the real masterminds behind this project will be free. Needless to say, I think his sentence is wrong.

    Regardless, here’s an e-mail written by Jamie Olis’ wife. If nothing else, it might show how easy this could happen to anyone. This e-mail was sent to the head of International Tax for the Houston office of one of the remaining big four (Jamie worked with this guy previously), and he forwarded it to some of his employees—including my wife. This is how I ended up with it. She doesn't come across as some rich b****, and she doesn't come across as particularly vindictive. She's just someone who, along with her husband, felt that he was innocent....and thusly decided to fight things in the courts. Feel free to forward it to whomever you think might be interested, and feel free to discuss.

    Dear Friends-- This is Monica again- I apologize in advance for this long
    e-mail... So many have asked what they could do to help Jamie and our
    family. We appreciate your concern so much and we know so many of you are
    hurting along with us. The judge was severely restricted by the federal
    sentencing guidelines which were changed in November of 2001 and made even
    harsher in 2002. The intent of course was to " get tough" on white collar
    crime however it allows a person like Jamie to be held responsible for the
    entire loss to shareholders and as the judge said, allows that determination
    to be made as an "estimate" of loss rather than requiring any clear
    evidence. This "loss calculation" made up the majority of the 24+ year
    sentence given and it does not consider that the defendant did not profit
    and had no intent to profit nor does it consider that the defendant had no
    individual authority to have caused those losses nor their character, lack
    of a criminal past or their family needs.

    Just to set a small part of the record straight, it is undisputed that
    Jamie did not individually act or have authority over any of the things he
    was convicted of. He was held criminally responsible for these alleged
    crimes because his boss, who was the sole witness of a "conspiracy"
    testified (as required to keep his plea deal and reduce his sentence) that
    Jamie was also in the conspiracy of people that committed those allegedly
    unlawful acts. Jamie's boss testified that the CFO, many other Dynegy
    employees/officers, external consultants and two highly reputable outside
    attorneys were allegedly part of the conspiracy making Jamie, by law,
    criminally responsible for all of their decisions, advice and work whether
    or not he knew or understood what was being done beyond his own work. Also,
    this alleged "scheme" that Jamie is being held responsible for and is
    described in the press, was a common type of transaction in the industry and
    the concept was peddled to Dynegy by Arthur Anderson (also now represented
    as government witnesses) and other experts as a legal and common
    transaction- and evidence shows that his company's Board and Executive
    Officers agreed to enter into that type of transaction and assigned
    employees to a project team to accomplish the transaction. Jamie was not an
    officer of the company at the time and did not manage anyone at the time.
    He had no decision making authority on this project and checked everything
    with his boss who later testified against him. He also did not pocket one
    penny and had no intention of profiting in any way from the job he was
    assigned to. Yet, if something doesn't change, he will never have a chance
    to be a part of his baby daughter's life until she is well into her college
    years.

    I know some of you recognize that this could happen to almost anyone and
    especially anyone in a public company is in danger of being held responsible
    for estimated shareholder losses. It seems the lower you are in the
    hierarchy, the easier a target you are for the federal prosecutors
    especially since we can't afford the tens of millions that these CEOs and
    CFOs can afford to defend themselves against the millions of taxpayer
    dollars that the prosecutors have at their disposal. Most of us also cannot
    afford to be suddenly unemployed and unemployable because of an indictment
    and the public accusation- No real proof is needed at this stage but the
    effects of the accusation are financially and emotionally devastating and it
    typically takes years to get to a trial. The maximum loss per the guideline
    was $100 million which added almost two decades to Jamie's sentence. For a
    company the size of Dynegy, that meant about a 30 cent drop per share which
    happens on any day at any time for any reason and for no reason. The
    mandatory sentencing guidelines are dangerous because they are blind to the
    defendant, the circumstances, and are being used as a sledgehammer against
    low and mid level employees- in essence, you are guilty as accused because
    the downside is too tremendous to risk fighting for your innocence.
    Prosecutors seem to target lower level employees in order to intimidate them
    into pleading guilt, give them a "deal" with the understanding that they
    will have to earn their freedom back through testimony against someone
    higher up or, as in our case, someone lower because that is the only way to
    earn your freedom back to be with your family. It doesn't seem to matter to
    them that the testimony is opposite from previously sworn testimony and it
    doesn't matter that it contradicts the written evidence and it doesn't even
    matter that the testimony isn't factually possible- so long as it provides
    "substantial assistance" in convicting another. How do you overcome this
    type of prosecutor coercion when you are innocent? I understand that one
    can be held responsible for the acts of others in a knowing criminal
    conspiracy to commit a murder or traffic drugs- the intended crime there is
    obvious to even an average brain like mine-- but how can an employee of a
    legitimate company with a legitimate and recognized hierarchy be held
    responsible for the independent and expert decisions (expected to be lawful)
    of those in authority? Jamie and I were so sure a jury would see his
    innocence, we were wrong. Please know that this can happen to another
    person you care about especially when working in a public company because
    your exposure is much, much greater.

    Although the lead prosecutor told the court almost a year ago that they had
    a "mountain of evidence" and would be indicting many others, they never did.
    Watch this case and see if the executive officers who were already named as
    "co-conspirators" are indicted or if they continue to go after non-officers
    and people who can't afford to defend themselves- and then offer them deals
    for testimony. According to news reports, it seems that the US Attorney,
    Michael Shelby will not comment on whether they will pursue the higher ups
    however he claims this sentence is a message to CEOs and CFOs- could the
    message be that we will go after your subordinates and if they don't give
    up, we'll let them rot in prison for your decisions but the actual decision
    makers who can afford to fully defend themselves are safe? Their definition
    of "cooperation" means "substantially" help them convict whoever they are
    pointing their finger at. Prosecutors are craftily climbing their own
    version of the corporate ladder but doing so on the lives of innocent people
    who thought they were doing a responsible and legal job for their company
    but who can't bear the risks of fighting for their innocence at a trial.

    Another difficult issue is that the length of this sentence would likely put
    Jamie- who has never committed a crime and has never raised his hand or his
    voice in anger- in a higher security prison. According to Bureau of
    Prisons, he would be sent to a medium security prison which is one level
    under maximum security (every decade of the sentence automatically moves you
    up a security level regardless that the alleged offense is non violent).
    That alone is terribly frightening for our family- had I believed that Jamie
    might be found guilty, I probably would have done everything I could to
    convince him to take a deal just to keep him safe, as I'm sure any wife
    would do to be sure that her husband could at least safely come back to his
    family eventually. I do not mean lying about someone else and damaging
    their families to get him home sooner -anyone who knows Jamie knows that he
    would never agree to do that, no matter what- but simply surrendering to
    this frighteningly unjust system and pray that he could get back home in
    time to see our baby girl starting her first day of school. Please know we
    are not government bashers- our families have served this government for
    many decades in distinguished military service and dedicated civil service.
    We would not have believed the authority of our government could be so
    abused as to facilitate this unjust prosecution except that we endured it
    first hand.

    I am asking anyone who is concerned about these federal sentencing
    guidelines and how they are being applied to write or e-mail your
    congressman and the U.S. Sentencing Commission- who rule on these
    guidelines. Judge Lake said that this was Congress' intent. I will not
    criticize Judge Lake and I ask that you don't- I believe he was following
    the law as written. I do believe that the sentencing guidelines are
    dangerous and are not being used as Congress anticipated. I hope you will
    join me in letting Congress and the Sentencing Committee know that and ask
    that the sentencing guidelines be amended to allow for justice and greater
    discretion to judges who are in a better position to weigh the factual
    differences in each case. This doesn't take away a judges ability to impose
    a devastating sentence to an Executive Officer of a company who knowingly
    made decisions that clearly caused significant harm to others- however, it
    may free lower level people who believe in their own innocence from being
    horribly victimized by the federal prosecutors. By the way, to my
    knowledge, there is no real recourse against the government or its attorneys
    for incorrectly pursuing a prosecution or for inappropriately influencing
    witnesses. Apparently, they are only limited by their own consciences, and
    that is very very frightening.

    Here is the website to get to your Congressman.
    http://www.house.gov/writerep/
    Also, please copy your e-mail to the U.S. Sentencing Commission members who
    approve and rule on these guidelines: Their e-mail address is
    pubaffairs@ussc.gov mailto:pubaffairs@ussc.gov and ask that your e-mail be
    forwarded to each of the Sentencing Commission members.

    Those e-mails should take no more than a few minutes--U.S. Senators are
    harder to reach but can be of great assistance in speaking on your behalf.
    They require an authorization to do so and I am attaching the link to your
    U.S. Senator by state. It is http://www.senate.gov/ Please go to the
    Casework section of the Senator's website and there will be mailing
    instructions for letters and a mandatory authorization form that must be
    mailed in order for the Senator to assist. Writing your Senator and sending
    the signed authorization will take more time to complete than the above
    e-mails and will cost a few postage stamps. If you are willing to take that
    time to take this additional step to solicit your Senators' help, my
    daughter and I would greatly appreciate it.

    Finally-My goal is 4000 letters/e-mails to Congress and the Sentencing
    Commission (I know Robin & Ben will get us to a quarter of this goal
    single-handedly). So I hope you will forward this request to anyone else
    who is concerned about this. If you do decide to forward this however,
    please delete all of our e-mail addresses. Although I know you will send it
    to others who are concerned and want to help, this may be forwarded well
    beyond that group and we have found there are some people who don't
    understand what this is about but have hateful intentions toward Jamie and I
    want to reduce any additional exposure that he, our family and our friends
    have to anything like that.

    Thank you so much for your help and your prayers! Jamie is fighting this
    verdict through an appeal, but if there can be some relief on these
    sentencing guidelines, maybe others won't be damaged as we have been --
    Monica

    P.S. I am attaching a sample letter to give you an idea for those wanting
    help to get started. Any portion of it can be copied and pasted into an
    e-mail but please express your own sentiments as you wish in your e-mail.
    The second page of the attachment includes quotes from experts on this
    matter. Thank you again--

    <<sampleltr.doc>>
     
  2. Buck Turgidson

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    I agree Pole. The guy got railroaded, but given the current climate concerning corporate malfeasance, it's not too surprising.

    This guy gets 20+ years and Lea Fastow gets a gold-plated plea bargain. So wrong.
     
  3. JPM0016

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    Fastow's wife withdrew her guilty plea today. She would have had to serve 5 months in jail then i think 5 under house arrest. Pretty ridiculous to withdraw the plea with that kind of deal
     
  4. RocketMan Tex

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    She withdrew the plea because the Judge renegged on the sentencing agreement.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    Yeah, I thought it was a shame that the judge reneged after they got her husband all squared away on the deal. Next time, husband-and-wife criminals will just keep their mouths shut.
     
  6. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Pole, I just said this to BrianKagy, but I'll say this to you. Come back. I want more conservatives over here. Like I said to him, I have my own theory as to why this section of the board has gone to ****, but I'll save that for another time. I just wish more thoughtful conservatives would post here sans personal insults. I think the reaction by the cadre would be different.
     
  7. mrpaige

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    I disagree.

    As for the sentencing guidelines, I've never liked them. I've always thought Congress (or Legislatures) were overstepping the separation of powers by legislating punishments. Let a judge (or a jury) decide a just punishment for the crime. With everything, I'm sure there would be some people who ended up with a lighter sentence than they "deserved", but I'd rather err that way than on the side of harsher sentences than are deserved.
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Why? I don't mean to totally derail the thread, but I'm wondering why you feel this way? I think if there was a public discussion regarding the acceptance of other's viewpoints sans personal insults, then we could have a discourse here without the crap that's been thrown from side to side in the past 22 months or so.

    Of course, I fully admit that I've thrown a lot of that crap.
     
  9. bnb

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    It's the climate indeed.

    And whether it's 'white collar crime' or the three strikes rule, it can be the result when you apply...to quote...

    Though i highly doubt he is as innocent as his wife proclaims, and i tend to think a $5 - $15K fine (possibly a month’s wages??) is far too low for what he allegedly did, i agree 24 years seems crazy.

    Personally, i'm glad they're toughening up the punishment for these manipulations (again -- THIS sentence seems TOO tough) and charging the ones who can truly profit through their stock options and bonuses. And i also applaud putting the onus on the ones who actually do the deed rather than allowing them to defer the responsibility to their advisors. The advisors should also be held accountable, of course, but the ones actually making the decision should bear responsibility too. And that responsibility should bring with it the possibility of jail time if it is abused.

    The ones who've gotten off far too lightly, in my opinion, and the ones who've pushed for much of the manipulation and profited most from it, in my experience, are the investment bankers. But that's another rant.

    Again. I was shocked by this verdict. And I agree it's unjust. Perhaps no more unjust than some of the guys who end up on Death Row vs what appear to be similar crimes that end up with relatively light sentences.

    And I second RM95's plea. Post more in here. Intelligent debate has been lacking lately.

    RM95: Kagy??? As an old time lurker i would love to see that. Just shoot my productivity to hell why don't you.
     
  10. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Exactly. Hell, I'm hopefully going to be starting a second job soon that monitors your web usage. If BK, one of my top 5 posters of all-time starts posting more, my discipline will be tested.

    BTW, bnb...post more. :D
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    What exactly did Lea Fastow do?
     
  12. mrpaige

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    As have I.

    I just think the idea of debate and discussion went out the window a long time ago, and it's more along the lines of talk radio bluster at this point. I know attempts I've made to make a rational post (which is harder for me to do than one would think) have been met with a degrading response about what I may or may not have heard on the radio or whatever.

    And with so much sincere hatred for the people in charge, with so much naked disgust for those in power, it's difficult to have a discussion because so much of what gets posted is simply "Bush is the Devil" type posts (and attempts to smear John Kerry posts from others). I admit there's plenty to dislike about the administration, but the blind hatred does not make for interesting discussion or debate (just as it didn't during the Clinton terms when Republicans would attack, attack, attack). It's not that I mind discussion and debate about the things that the people in power do wrong, but when it turns into Crossfire or the Rush Limbaugh Show-type antics (where the goal is simply to destroy rather than to discuss), it's not really a debate or a discussion anymore.

    One of the reasons a lot of people hate politics is this whole "I'm 100% correct. You're always 100% wrong" attitude that tends to permeate the political parties. Any policy crafted by a Republican is evil to a Democrat, and vice versa. It doesn't matter what the policy is.

    I don't know... I've gone off on a rant here. The point being that, to me, it goes beyond personal insults. Those personal jabs against public figures (on both sides of the aisle) are part of the problem, too. Nobody likes to see their guys attacked, even if they themselves think their guys are wrong. GWB has done so much I've disliked, but when I come on here and see him dragged across the coals, it makes me want to defend him against the hyperbole just because no one else is. And that just leads to more Rush Limbaugh-style "debate" where it's all about whose side you're on rather than the issues and true opinions.

    But that's just what I think as a person who reads fewer and fewer D&D posts as time goes on.
     
  13. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Honestly, though, I don't think that's why a lot of the conservatives have stopped posting. I think that's something that's been around here since the beginning. Unfortunately, I believe that it started to become more personal than simply trashing the guy that one supports. That's what I want to get past, despite the fact that it's probably impossible at this point. Liberals won't stop because they don't know who to take seriously and conservatives won't simply try to make it more civil and instead try to make themselves martyrs at the hands of a liberal BBS (broad generalizations, of course).

    This really deserves its own thread, IMO.
     
  14. mrpaige

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    I can only go by what I feel (and what a very few other people have told me in private).

    But I'll save any further discussion on the matter for when this subject has its own thread and let this one try to get back on topic.
     
  15. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Good call.

    Lemme just say that I agree with the general sentiment in this thread. :)
     

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