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James Dobson Accuses Obama of Distorting the Bible

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I don't know how much of an effect this will have on Obama's out reach to Evangelicals but thought it would be good discussion material.

    From AP

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25343812?GT1=43001

    [rquoter]Dobson accuses Obama of 'distorting' Bible
    Conservative is critical of Dem's stance on how the Bible should guide policy

    COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. - As Barack Obama broadens his outreach to evangelical voters, one of the movement's biggest names, James Dobson, accuses the likely Democratic presidential nominee of distorting the Bible and pushing a "fruitcake interpretation" of the Constitution.

    The criticism, to be aired Tuesday on Dobson's Focus on the Family radio program, comes shortly after an Obama aide suggested a meeting at the organization's headquarters here, said Tom Minnery, senior vice president for government and public policy at Focus on the Family.

    The conservative Christian group provided The Associated Press with an advance copy of the pre-taped radio segment, which runs 18 minutes and highlights excerpts of a speech Obama gave in June 2006 to the liberal Christian group Call to Renewal. Obama mentions Dobson in the speech.

    "Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?" Obama said. "Would we go with James Dobson's or Al Sharpton's?" referring to the civil rights leader.

    Dobson took aim at examples Obama cited in asking which Biblical passages should guide public policy — passages like Leviticus, which Obama said suggests slavery is OK and eating shellfish is an abomination, or Jesus' Sermon on the Mount, "a passage that is so radical that it's doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application."

    "Folks haven't been reading their Bibles," Obama said.

    'Deliberately distorting'
    Dobson and Minnery accused Obama of wrongly equating Old Testament texts and dietary codes that no longer apply to Jesus' teachings in the New Testament.

    "I think he's deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology," Dobson said.

    "... He is dragging biblical understanding through the gutter."

    Joshua DuBois, director of religious affairs for Obama's campaign, said in a statement that a full reading of Obama's speech shows he is committed to reaching out to people of faith and standing up for families. "Obama is proud to have the support of millions of Americans of faith and looks forward to working across religious lines to bring our country together," DuBois said.

    Dobson reserved some of his harshest criticism for Obama's argument that the religiously motivated must frame debates over issues like abortion not just in their own religion's terms but in arguments accessible to all people.

    He said Obama, who supports abortion rights, is trying to govern by the "lowest common denominator of morality," labeling it "a fruitcake interpretation of the Constitution."

    "Am I required in a democracy to conform my efforts in the political arena to his bloody notion of what is right with regard to the lives of tiny babies?" Dobson said. "What he's trying to say here is unless everybody agrees, we have no right to fight for what we believe."

    The program was paid for by a Focus on the Family affiliate whose donations are taxed, Dobson said, so it's legal for that group to get more involved in politics.

    Possible visit
    Last week, DuBois, a former Assemblies of God associate minister, called Minnery for what Minnery described as a cordial discussion. He would not go into detail, but said Dubois offered to visit the ministry in August when the Democratic National Convention is in Denver.

    A possible Obama visit was not discussed, but Focus is open to one, Minnery said.

    McCain also has not met with Dobson. A McCain campaign staffer offered Dobson a meeting with McCain recently in Denver, Minnery said. Dobson declined because he prefers that candidates visit the Focus on the Family campus to learn more about the organization, Minnery said.

    Dobson has not backed off his statement that he could not in good conscience vote for McCain because of concerns over the Arizona senator's conservative credentials. Dobson has said he will vote in November but has suggested he might not vote for president.

    Obama recently met in Chicago with religious leaders, including conservative evangelicals. His campaign also plans thousands of "American Values House Parties," where participants discuss Obama and religion, as well as a presence on Christian radio and blogs.
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  2. thegary

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  4. RocketMan Tex

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    If anyone on earth knows something about "distorting the bible" it would be James Dobson.
     
  5. A_3PO

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    While he has his following, there are a lot of "evangelicals" that strongly dislike James Dobson, especially his politics.
     
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    The upshot is that he understands the "true interpretation" of the Bible.

    Just by using the word 'interpretation', he's admitting that either the content is entirely subjective or he has special access into the mind of God. Pick your poison, ya charlatan.
     
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    I’m completely in favor of separation of church and state. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

    -- George Carlin
     
  8. Rashmon

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    Wow, that is the pot calling the kettle black. No offense nor pun intended.

    If anyone is guilty of "deliberately distorting the traditional understanding of the Bible to fit his own worldview, his own confused theology" and "dragging biblical understanding through the gutter" it is surely James Dobson.
     
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    Among the issues I have with this, the one that is the most ridiculous is that Dobson is stating that Obama has a "fruitcake" interpretation of the Constitution.

    Just to clarify, Dobson says that his interpretation of the Constitution is more correct than Barack Obama's.

    James Dobson - Doctorate in child development from the University of Southern California in 1967. He was an Associate Clinical Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Southern California School of Medicine for fourteen years. He spent seventeen years on the staff of the Children's Hospital of Los Angeles in the Division of Child Development and Medical Genetics. Dobson is a licensed psychologist in the State of California.

    Barack Obama - B.A. in Political Science from Columbia in 1983. J.D. magna c*m laude from Harvard in 1991, Editor of the Harvard Law Review. Taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).

    Tell Dr. Dobson that if I want to know if my kid is potty training when he should be I will call him but that he should leave Constitutional interpretation to those that have actually studied the document at length.

    Thanks. :rolleyes:
     
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    So Dobson defines the "traditional understanding of the Bible" now does he?
     
  11. Refman

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    Am I the only conservative who doesn't give a flying tinker's damn about what James Dobson thinks about anything?
     
  12. mc mark

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    Probably not Ref, but there are a LOT of voters that do.
     
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    There are a LOT of people on both sides of the aisle who care about what others think politically when they shouldn't.

    See Dobson, James; Streissand, Barbara, etc etc
     
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    What is the over/ under on Dobson being a closeted gay meth addict ?
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Just wondering how that makes him on an expert on the Bible either?
     
  16. mc mark

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    via HufPo --

    Dr. Dobson Has Just Handed Obama Victory

    Senator Obama just took another giant step toward winning the presidency. Actually, someone who considers himself a sworn enemy of Senator Obama took the step for him. Dr. Dobson of the Focus On the Family radio program (and evangelical media empire) has aired a program in which he attacks Senator Obama, the Senator's theology and his credentials as a Christian. With enemies like this Senator Obama doesn't need friends.

    No, I'm not talking about Dobson energizing liberal Democrats. I'm talking about Dobson energizing his fellow evangelicals to vote for Senator Obama.

    I first met Dobson when I was on his program back in the early eighties. At that time I too was an evangelical right wing agitator. I describe my encounter with Dobson and my journey from the heart of the Republican/evangelical right to sanity in my book CRAZY FOR GOD-How I Grew Up As One Of The Elect, Helped Found The Religious Right, And Lived To Take All (Or Almost All) Of It Back.

    In the bad old days Dobson gave away 150,000 copies of a shrill bestseller evangelical screed of mine called A Time For Anger. (There was a lot more money in the God business than working as a legitimate author let me tell you! If any of my novels made the kind of money my evangelical books did I'd be set! ) Along with my late evangelical leader father Francis Schaeffer, like Dobson we were busy welding the evangelicals and the Republican Party into what amounted to a new party of soft theocracy. I changed my mind and got out in the mid eighties. But I have plenty of friends still in the evangelical movement, and they say unequivocally that Dobson's time has passed.

    Dobson is one of the Evangelical religious right old guard. He's to the right what Nader is to the left. Like the late Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and others Dobson has alienated as many evangelicals -- let alone moderate Christians -- as he's inspired. In fact, ever since he tried to get Richard Cizik, vice president of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) fired last year Dobson has found himself painted into a reactionary corner. Many evangelicals still fear him and so won't denounce his posturing power-plays but they also despise him.

    Cizik is the future of evangelicalism. Dobson is the past. Cizik is a strong environmentalist advocate on the issue of global warming. Dobson tried to get the board of the National Association of Evangelicals to fire Cizik because of that fact. Dobson said that Cizik's environmental beliefs ran counter to what Dobson thought was in George Bush's best interests. He also said that the environment distracts from the favorite issues Dobson raises most of his funds on: abortion and gay bashing. But Dobson failed. The board of the NAE rejected Dobson's power play, for the same reason many evangelicals will reject his telling them how to vote this year. Dobson also failed in stopping John McCain (who failed to kiss Dobson's ass sufficiently) from becoming the Republican nominee.

    If you're one of many Americans who thinks that the war in Iraq was a mistake or believe that the Republicans have run the economy into the ground or think that perhaps the chaos George Bush unleashed in our foreign affairs has something to do with the price of gas at the pump... then you have Dr. Dobson to thank -- personally. No one worked harder to get Bush elected then reelected. Dobson delivered his millions of dupes. But now many of them see through him and like most Americans, are appalled by Bush.

    Nevertheless Dobson has -- for eight years -- been George W. Bush's personal shill. In return Dobson has had ego-stoking "access" to the White House, or rather to the lackeys in the White House laughing at him but charged with stroking Dobson and the other pompous asses masquerading as religious leaders.

    But the new generation of evangelicals is sick of being labeled as backward rednecks because of their association with fossils like Dobson. There are many evangelicals like Cizik too who are not all about homophobia, nationalism, war-without-end and American exceptionalism or the Republican Party. Like Cizik they believe that the America has a responsibility to do something about global warming, poverty, AIDS, human trafficking and other issues. They see through Dobson and the other so-called pro-life leaders, who have actually done nothing to reduce abortion. In fact Dobson has increased abortions because of his "abstinence only" crusade.

    As a result of his power grabs and bullying of other evangelicals, not to mention his telling people how to vote and pointing them to the failed W, Dobson & Co. have zero credibility with a growing number of otherwise conservative evangelicals who happen--this year--to be looking favorably at Senator Obama's holistic Christian-based world view. Unlike Dobson they like Obama's theology just fine.

    All that was missing to put the frosting on the Obama cake was for Dobson to attack him. For Obama to win all he needs to do is peel off a chunk of heretofore solid evangelical Republican votes.

    Dobson just handed Obama those votes.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/dr-dobson-has-just-handed_b_108989.html

    we'll see
     
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    This is a excellent column. Schaeffer sound very bitter, but I agree with a lot of what he says here. Dobson has ticked off a huge number of "evangelicals" over the years. The way he has morphed into a vicious political ogre over the last 30 years makes me wonder if he's lost his mind.
     
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    I'd be bitter too if I had a **** for brains representing my faith the loudest.
     
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    The irony of Dobson calling someone else a fruit cake
     
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    you stole my line.
     

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