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Jamal Crawford & Steve Francis Rockets Backcourt?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, Apr 8, 2003.

  1. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Since Crumbs Krause is now history as the Bulls GM perhaps that team can finally do something. All year long they were dangling Crawford and Fizer (and Rose) but were asking for way TOO much in return. Perhaps with a new GM there they will be more at ease with making trades. It is obvious they want Jay Williams to be their PG of the future and Crawford is there for the taking for some team if they offer the right trade.

    This leads me to the Rockets who many speculate would entertain putting Francis at the 2 (for offensive purposes). But to do this you need a PG that is a "combo guard" with decent height to be able to guard taller 2s on the defensive end. Enter Jamal Crawford who is a young atheltic PG who is 6'5" tall and perhaps our answer to a backcourt mate for Steve Francis.

    Not sure what Chicacgo would want for Crawford but it appears they lack a decent SF. Not sure we can help in that regard but perhaps a 3rd team would get involved to satisfy their needs. Or perhaps if Rose is traded away for that SF they are looking for Mobley would be someone they would look at at the SG spot.

    Anyway, I just wanted to get others opinions on Crawford and if you think he might be a decent solution in the Rockets backcourt. And if you do like Crawford for this team, what trade options could we realisticly offer Chicago that they might be interested in?
     
  2. Rileydog

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    How about Nachbar for Crawford straight up?

    Chicago has Rose and could bring along Nachbar as a backup.

    As for the Rox, I'd prefer to see us keep Posey for a reasonable price and Crawford would significantly improve our 3 guard rotation. The alternative would be to let Posey go, start Rice and use Nachbar as the backup. I think that significantly downgrades our production at the SF position. We have enough unseasoned players that get significant playing time.

    If Nachbar turns into Peja, then we're screwed. But that's a huge if, and Nachbar apparently can't defend, whereas Posey and presumably, Crawford, can.

    Posey/Rice at SF next year is just fine. We then let Rice's contract expire and use that money to get help at PF, or use that contract to unload Moochie's contract.
     
  3. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Not sure the Bulls would take Nachbar for Crawford but I assume in that situation Mobley would move to the bench and be the 6th man scoring option off the bench. I think that would be fine with me. I think that is a role he is well suited for.
     
  4. pasox2

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    Crawford can't shoot.
     
  5. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Crawford would just take Moochie's spot on the team. You want to put your best guys out on the floor, even if it means playing Francis/Cat in the backcourt together.
     
  6. rrj_gamz

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    Boki for Crawford???

    Were you guys with EG Sunday night...;)

    Much more upside for Boki, who will be like Peja...
     
  7. kidrock8

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    Actually, he can.

    I just don't think he's much of a PG.
     
  8. munco

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    Have you guys seen Crawford play? The kid can flat out play. I've seen Boki play about 5 minutes this year. The Bulls are very high on Crawford and a big reason they didn't trade is because he has outplayed Jay Williams and the Bulls didn't want to look stupid for trading him and have him turn out to be a star with another team.
     
  9. zzhiggins

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    Last time I checked Moochies numbers were better than Crawfords..and moochie is having an off year. Jamal might be competing for Titos job.
     
  10. Glyyde

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    Mobley can be the 6th man once again.... the 6th man who average 35MPG..... I think by cutting down his PT by 5 per game will make him much more effective..... though Crawford might not be the one for me if Mobley is going to be the 6th man
     
  11. HeyDude

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    U would rather start crawford over Cat????? So you would bench a good defensive player, who is somewhat streaky on offense, but plays hard nonetheless, just for the sake of moving Steve to the 2 and start Crawford for at pg??? I wouldnt mind Crawford coming off the bench instead of mooch, and play some 2 as well to relieve Steve and Cats minutes, but geesh, start him over Cat???? come on.
     
  12. kidrock8

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    The Bulls have looked stupid the last 5 years.
     
  13. MManal

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    Jamal Crawford is a better option than Moochie, but it still does not solve the Rockets problems. Crawford is essentially a SG being forced into a PG role which this team already has the problem of. Also, even though I am in favor of dealing Mobley, Cuttino has a lot more value than Crawford. The Rockets need something a lot more significant, not simply adding on a third guard and staying the course. A savvy playmaker that can get this team organized and more consistent is what is needed not another guard that will add to the problem.
     
  14. xiki

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    Until a new GM is named all is speculative.

    After a new GM is named all is speculative.

    Who will the new guy bring in as coach? Who are the coaches favorites from prior or on Bulls? The GMs?

    Chicago will become interesting, I believe.
     
  15. RocketFan007

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    zzhiggins, looks like you haven't checked the stats this season, because Crawford averages more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, 3-point and free throw percentage.
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    I think Crawford is a FA after next year. I think rather than trading for him this offseason you wait it out and try to lure him with the MCE.

    On the other hand if we really don't think Boki is going to be a piece in the puzzle this trade might make sense--because I think we would have a slight leg up in neogiating. But still, if you traded for Crawford and he did have a break out year--you risk someone offering a package you can't match. This is going to happen to the Warriors with Arenas (though it might be different because he was a 2nd rounder), but luckily for us I don't think Posey will get offers above what we can match if we want to do so (MCE).

    In other words I think the timing is off. If you traded for him and he had a break out year you lose him for nothing. If he doesn't have a break out year you can keep him but then maybe he isn't the player you hoped anyway. In short I don't see us trading a potential piece in Boki for someone in this situation.
     
  17. UTweezer

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    mobley and nachbar for fizer and crawford
     
  18. lalala902102001

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    First, Jamal Crawford is a 6'5" PG, not a two guard who's forced to play point. That's why he's going to be a special player. Crawford's among top 20 in the league in assist-turnover ratio, something very rare for a young player. He played much better when he got the starting role since last month. In the games he started this year, he had a 4 to 1 assist-turnover ratio. And Crawford really is just starting to show what he can do. He missed almost entire last year because of an ACL injury. His value is only going to go up.
     
  19. jo mama

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    DONT TRADE MOBLEY!!!

    mobley is the best starting 2 we could have. he is a better 2 than steve would even be. IF we got crawford, i would want him being the 3rd guard. b/t him and mobley and steve we would have those 2 spots pretty well covered.
     
  20. munco

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    The Bulls have been playing Jay Williams and Crawford together, so Crawford might not be available anyways. I admit that Crawford is not a guaranteed star, but the kid has a ton of talent and I think he could be a great player. Right now, he's too streaky but he's only 23 and it's rare to find a 6'5" playmaker.
     

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