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Jail time for School Fraud - Fair or Not?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Icehouse, Jan 25, 2011.

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  1. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

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    http://www.ohio.com/hottopic/114372139.html

    Tons of articles with opposing views on this.

    Summary: Mom in poor school district uses a fraud address (well, her childrens father) to send her kids to a better school district, gets busted, sentenced to 10 days and 3 years probation and may not be able to use her teachers certificate if she still acquires it.

    Thoghts....
     
  2. thadeus

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    Tax revenues should be distributed evenly, on a per student basis, to every school in the state.
     
  3. rtsy

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    The effects of a government school monopoly. The establishment is against choice.


    Fear of the Unknown & School Choice: Gerard Robinson on the biggest obstacle to reform

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    Put the Money in the Backpack: Lisa Graham Keegan on Reforming School Funding

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    Jay Greene on Making Schools Better

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  4. Icehouse

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    While I don't necessarily disagree with that, in this case the poorer school received more state funds and had a higher cost per pupil than the better school.
     
  5. JuanValdez

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    I see it as a form of civil disobedience (knowingly or unknowingly) to object to an injustice in the educational system. Illegal but ethical. Laws in an unjust society still need to be enforced, but if they really want to stop the problem of fraud here, they should fix the inequities in education. This inequity causes far more damage than school-zoning fraud ever could. So, I have a problem with an editorial waxing indignant that a woman would steal money out of his pocket when he is implicit in the disenfranchisement of her children.

    Still, like I said, I'd expect the state to uphold their laws, even when I don't agree with them. 10 days in jail is fine by me. I would make that trade for my children's education. Threatening her livelihood by jeoparding her teacher's license, though, seems way overboard. And I'd take the whole thing as yet another sign that something big needs to be done to fix public education.
     
  6. thadeus

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    Wow ... really? That's surprising.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Dear lord....she did what was right for her kids.....

    Jail time, really?

    Unreal.

    DD
     
  8. Qball

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    I can see a fine and probation, but jail? Completely unfair.
     
  9. Major

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    Agreed. Stupid too - jailtime costs the government that much more money.
     
  10. RedRedemption

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    Ha, I know so many people that do this.
     
  11. Rocket River

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    Evidently her kids must not be Excelling in Athletics.
    If they were winning state championships. . this would be a non issue.

    I am very much against all sorts of Vouchers and voucher systems

    The Resolution can be found without them.

    I would like to know what are the issues in home district and why they are not being addresses.

    She should probably sue the city for the inequity

    Rocket River
     
  12. Lynus302

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    While I can't speak to the ins and outs of all of this, jail time for such an offense sounds completely unfair and like a total waste of money.
     
  13. Thinhallen

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    What's your reasoning for being against the voucher system?

    I'm not the most knowledgeable on this subject matter, but why not give people the freedom to choose rather then allow them to be segregated based on where they're able to afford housing? I mean isn't this one of the fundamental reasons that cycles of poverty exist? Cycle being the operative word. By allowing people to have freedom in their choice of school, you in turn help them in breaking one aspect of the cycle.

    It's idealistic to think that all schools should fundamentally be good and I wish that were the case, but our education system has constantly made promises that they haven't been able to keep. If you allow the voucher system, you can better determine which schools are doing their part to prepare students. The schools that have an outflux of students and the schools that have an influx of students will let the government know which schools are effective in getting students to the next level. I'm sure there can be some abuse of the system, but right now, all I see is complacency in the school systems because they automatically get funding without any sort of credibility except by some awful standardized testing. Complacency is the issue in almost all government organizations as well. One can hope, wish, even dream that the light will come to each and every government funded worker, but in reality, if there is no competition and all there is is some abstract number to shoot for, people will find a way to make the number a reality while doing the least amount of work and returning the least amount of value. Some anomalies might exist ie the real life teacher in Lean on Me, but It's just human nature to ultimately do what's required and not anything more.
     
  14. Dairy Ashford

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    Fraud is fraud. Maybe spend a little more time "motivating" your kids academically. Sending them to a different district won't cancel out your ****ty parenting.
     
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    If you can still enforce diversity provisions on campuses where people use their vouchers, than fine. Otherwise you're just providing another tool for slightly lower income whites to just more precisely segregate the school system.
     
  16. geeimsobored

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    A fairly decent sized amount of kids from Bellaire High School come from families that rent apartments in the school zone that are unoccupied so that they can attend the school. Hell my one of my really good friends in high school did this for 2 years and he was top 10 in our class. In fact this was mostly done by Asian families that were just trying to get their kids into a good school. HISD has maybe 3 high schools that I'd consider acceptable for a kid if I had one so I can understand the practice.

    That said jailing someone for this is stupid. Just remove the kid from the school and be done with it. You have far better things to police and fill our jails with.
     
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    Income, race and possibly education level of parents are probably bigger factors to individual academic performance than tax distribution.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Also the biggest factors in a schools success.

    Parents being educated and valuing education is much more important than anything done at the school level.

    Some areas, you just have bad parents, some are too young, some are single parents that are working a lot, some are in bad areas, it is sad, it really hampers a kids ability to move up in the world.

    DD
     
  19. RocketRaccoon

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    Why even have laws if someone can emotionally disqualify themselves from it?

    Her choice and she choose to consciously break the law knowing a possible jail time would be in her future.

    If you don't like the law, fine, change it, but this is as real as it gets for now. Break the law, go to jail.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Sometimes you got to break a law to draw attention to it's zaniness.

    And this at most is a misdemeanor.......I will support anyone trying to give their kids a leg up....

    DD
     

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