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Jackass or Not, You Gotta Respect Him

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Rocketman95, Apr 4, 2002.

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  1. Rocketman95

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    4 HRs in 14 innings this year.

    7 HRs in his last 4 games played.

    Wow.

    I'm referring to Barry Bonds in case you don't know.
     
  2. heypartner

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    wrong forum
     
  3. dylan

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    Nope, hangout boy is correct. The other forum is for "other Houston sports" such as the Texans, Comets, and Astros. Barry Bonds is none of the above. So there, you big meanie.
     
  4. DEANBCURTIS

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    Absolutely mind boggling how much talent Mr.Bonds has.
     
  5. rockHEAD

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    hahah... i thought you meant that jackass on MTV
     
  6. RocketsPimp

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    The man is a baseball bad ass!! I hope he breaks 80 this year.
     
  7. Lil Pun

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    Forget 80, let's go for triple digits! :eek:
     
  8. Timing

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    I'm already sick of him for the season. Next....
     
  9. DVauthrin

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    Barry Bonds is one hell of a baseball player. I don't understand your issue with him Timing. Also, if he is such a jackass why haven't any giants come out and publicly demanded trades from the ball club. Hmm.

    :rolleyes:
     
  10. Timing

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    Good point man. I remember how all of John Rocker's teammates demanded to be traded out of Atlanta. There was .... and... yeah.
     
  11. BigM

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    all i ever hear about the guy is that he's a jackass but nonetheless he's the best player in the game. as far as careers go he should be up there with mays, aaron, williams, etc. right now barry's locked in possibly better than anyone in history, he's got the strike zone down pat.
     
  12. DVauthrin

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    Comparing Barry Bonds to John Rocker is irrelevant. Has it ever occurred to you, his despise of the media early in his career has caused them to seek him out for revenge at every opportunity they get? I mean john rocker is a bigot, no offense, barry bonds has not made any such comments. At worst, he is your typical superstar. Should I enlighten you that Cal Ripken, widely praised in the media had his own huge chair in the clubhouse and whatever he needed to get ready to play, so if you think its all equal in a Major League Clubhouse think again. I'm sorry but if you are trying to compare Bonds's conduct to John Rocker's, you are stretching it and failing miserably. My point is Barry has been a Giant for 10 or so years now. Why hasn't anyone in that time not demanded a trade if he is so horrible to deal with, is that an unfair question to ask? And do Griffey Jr., Sosa and others not act the same way in the clubhouse? I think you would find they do. So tell me why Barry Bonds is so horrible again? He's definitely no John Rocker-not even close.
     
  13. Rocketman95

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    Since the last, and only, time anyone's ever hit 2 HRs in each of the first two games was Eddie Matthews in 1958, it seems that you'll be waiting for 44 years.

    :rolleyes:
     
  14. Timing

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    You said if he's such a jackass why haven't his teammates demanded a trade. In that sense the comparison is very good because Rocker was also hated by his teammates. Baseball doesn't have quite the whiny ass b**** level of basketball so it's very uncommon that any player asks to be traded because of a dislike for a teammate. Your question has no bearing on Barry being a jackass.

    All this crap about the clubhouse and the media means nothing to me. I'm not in the clubhouse and my opinions aren't formed by the media. My opinions are formed by watching him stand at the plate to admire his long fly ball outs and by listening to him answer questions with such an attitude. Comparing Cal to Barry Bonds just shows you really don't know much about Cal. Cal is more humble than Barry Bonds could ever dream of being.
     
  15. DVauthrin

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    RM:

    We went to see the wrong Astros game :confused:
     
  16. DAROckets

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    I think most of his bad rep is just from the media..If you want to see how the media can get a perception of someone and trash their image,rent the movie *61...It was on HBO.great movie.
     
  17. Timing

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    Oooh goodie, a home run record. That never happens these days. :rolleyes:
     
  18. DVauthrin

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    I got the Rocker comparison, but comparing Barry's conduct to his is foolish. It isn't even close, Rocker is worse hands down. Did I say I didn't like Cal Ripken? Nope. My point is all this stuff in the Reilly article last year about massaging Barry's ego is so overblown. Most prime time superstars receive the same treatment, including Ripken himself.

    Also, I dare you find a quote last year and this year about him going for homeruns and putting them before the team, and trashing the media. If he did one time trash the media it would be because he got hounded about the same thing the whole season. I don't know about you but it would grate on my nerves too. Btw, Big Mac handled his homerun season much worse than Barry ever did, snapping at more reporters, etc, yet he wasn't dogged on by the media. So how is his character?

    I'll admit, Barry very well may have been immature as a youngster, but why should that follow him throughout his career. The way he handled last year spoke volumes about his class at this point in his career(he has a lot) and if you were too blind to see it , I feel sorry for your loss.

    I just really can't fathom hating a great player who hasn't given us a reason to hate him recently(being last couple of years), only love him.
     
  19. Timing

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    Originally posted by DVauthrin
    I got the Rocker comparison, but comparing Barry's conduct to his is foolish. It isn't even close, Rocker is worse hands down. Did I say I didn't like Cal Ripken? Nope. My point is all this stuff in the Reilly article last year about massaging Barry's ego is so overblown. Most prime time superstars receive the same treatment, including Ripken himself.

    You obviously didn't get the comparison because I did not compare their conduct. I compared their status of being hated by their teammates.

    You are having trouble reading or something because I didn't say you didn't like Cal Ripken. I said you must not know much about him.

    I have no idea who "Reilly" is so I don't know what you're talking about.

    Also, I dare you find a quote last year and this year about him going for homeruns and putting them before the team, and trashing the media. If he did one time trash the media it would be because he got hounded about the same thing the whole season. I don't know about you but it would grate on my nerves too. Btw, Big Mac handled his homerun season much worse than Barry ever did, snapping at more reporters, etc, yet he wasn't dogged on by the media. So how is his character?

    I dare you to read my posts. Where did I say he was going for homeruns or putting them before the team? HUH!?! You're grating on my nerves. WTF does Big Mac have to do with Barry being a jackass his whole career?

    I'll admit, Barry very well may have been immature as a youngster, but why should that follow him throughout his career. The way he handled last year spoke volumes about his class at this point in his career(he has a lot) and if you were too blind to see it , I feel sorry for your loss.

    I feel sorry for your blindness. You can't even read.

    I just really can't fathom hating a great player who hasn't given us a reason to hate him recently(being last couple of years), only love him.

    I can't fathom you telling me that I haven't seen him pose at the plate all the friggin time and give snide ass answers in interviews.

    BTW what is this loving Barry Bonds crap? I'm not a Giants fan. I friggin hate the Giants and that tooth pick wagging manager of theirs. The Giants having Barry just makes it more fun for me when we beat them.

    And you know that's part of the problem with Astros fans and this cheering players on other teams nonsense. You wouldn't see Barry getting a standing ovation in Philly. They'd give him the proper golf clap and commence to talking smack about his mother like hardcore fans should be doing. 'Stros fans are so weak like that.
     
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    Nah, because if he hits 80 then the Yankess will get to buy him.

    Anyhow, the thread title is wrong. You don't have to respect him. You have to respect his talent. Or maybe you shouldn't even do that much seeing how Larry Dierker did that last year and got the hell booed out of him for it by his own fans... and eventually was canned.

    As for Bonds... I know it's popular to have a conspiracy theory these days, that he's really a terrific lad and the media just is out to get him. Hell, word is a plane never even crashed in to the Pentagon. But recognizing his wondrous talent doesn't suddenly make people forget what an ass he's been throughout his career.


    <a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/637816.asp">Bonds doesn't deserve record</a>
    <font face="Arial" size="4">Bonds doesn't deserve record</font>
    Even teammates not happy that Giant has set HR mark


    Barry Bonds broke the Babe’s record for bases on balls Wednesday night, which is just what Bonds deserved. Bonds is a first-class jerk, even by the standards set by other major-league ballplayers. Frankly, that’s saying something, because beating them out for the title is harder than breaking the major league home run record because the competition is steeper. And more ample.

    SO WHEN THE Houston Astros walked him three times Wednesday night, including once intentionally with two runners on and the Giants already holding a one-run lead, he reaped what he long ago sowed. They acted like jerks to a jerk.

    Those terrible pitches allowed Bonds to break Ruth’s record for walks in a season but they didn’t allow him a chance to tie Mark McGwire’s single-season home run record of 70. Unfortunately, Bonds broke McGwire’s record Friday night, hitting two home runs. Darn.

    The beauty of rooting against Barry Bonds is that even though he tied McGwire’s record Thursday and broke it Friday, his teammates will still dislike him. Just like most clear thinking people do. Hence, we still keep alive the very distinct possibility that he could make major league baseball history by receiving not so much as a handshake from most of his teammates after setting an all-time record for home runs.

    That’s almost worth rooting for in itself. But as embarrassing as that would be, it’s better he doesn’t get the record for a simple reason. He really wants it.

    Normally you would have rooted wildly for Bonds because everyone likes to see history made. America is about greatness, and any time an athlete comes close to accomplishing that, we pull for him.

    We pull for the opposing pitcher close to a perfect game, even if it means our team loses.

    We pull for the opposing hitter who needs one more hit to set a record or reach a noble plateau.

    Not in this case, folks.

    Not only did people not want to see Bonds break McGwire’s record, they haven’t even wanted to read about it. Barry Bonds has been seen on fewer magazine covers than The Shadow.

    His run toward immortality was ignored by nearly everyone but ESPN, which has to televise something, so it keeps showing his games in the hopes someone cares. They don’t.

    In this day and age of celebrity worship, it was not easy for Bonds to reach such a level of loathing, but he has managed to do it. He did it by being so greedy that he once went to court to try to get his child support payments reduced during the last baseball strike even though he was making millions a year. He won that case, by the way, and if you think you would have gotten the same consideration in family court, then you aren’t smart enough to have read this far in the first place.

    He is almost universally disliked by his teammates, primarily because he doesn’t know the definition of being a teammate. Some sports philosopher long ago said “There’s no ‘I’ in team.” To that Bonds says, “There’s no team in Me.”

    All you need to know about having Bonds as your teammate is to realize he didn’t have time to show up for the team picture. For the last two years. Too busy to make it, but thanks for asking.

    Bonds has had a great season, especially because he broke McGwire’s record. He has a great chance to break Babe Ruth’s slugging percentage record of .847. Bonds is hitting well over .300 with those 72 homers. He is having a great season in the midst of a Hall of Fame career.

    He may even be the National League’s Most Valuable Player, although enough votes may go to Albert Pujols, Randy Johnson or Luis Gonzalez to deny him that award just out of spite. I’m not too big on spite, but in this case, hey, why not?

    Bonds probably deserves the MVP, especially if the Giants reach the postseason. But what he doesn’t deserve is the kind of following McGwire and Sammy Sosa got when two good guys with the right attitude toward each other, their teammates, the game and life battled it out in 1998 to be the first to break Roger Maris’ home run record.

    Their epic struggle brought joy to baseball and honor to themselves. Bonds’ quest makes me sick to my stomach.

    Astros fans at Enron Field were booing their own pitchers when they walked Bonds intentionally, but the idea is to win the game first, and if he’s so dangerous, why pitch to him?

    The guy behind Bonds, Jeff Kent, is hitting dismally with runners in scoring position. Bonds is hitting about double that. If you’re the Astros and in the middle of a pennant race, it’s pretty obvious who you pitch to and who you pitch around, right?

    Of course it is, but secretly I hope they haven’t been pitching to him for the best reason I can think of.

    Because they know he’s a jerk too. Been a jerk all his career. Not even 72 home runs can change that.

    So I say give Barry Bonds what he deserves.

    Nothing.


    <a href="http://www.sptimes.com/News/100701/Columns/Bonds_could_be_one_of.shtml">Bonds could be one of the best, but he lacks in class</a>
    <font face="arial" size="4">Bonds could be one of the best, but he lacks in class</font>

    Forty years ago, I was a mesmerized kid as Roger Maris hit 61 homers, out-Babeing George Herman Ruth, in his house. Who wasn't captivated in 1998 when Mark McGwire, a Bunyan with a soft heart, achieved a startling 70. And, while he's yet to be king, 3x60 slugger Sammy Sosa is warmly embraced in Americas north and south.

    But now, as the ultimate home run number flies deeper into baseball's stratosphere, why am I not so romanced and agog over the wall-to-wall greatness of Barry Bonds?

    Blame it on him.

    For years, the sting of anti-Bonds sentiment has been evident, especially from San Francisco, where his ballpark performance has been so constant, but also from Pittsburgh, where there is muddy residue from Barry's years with the Pirates.

    He is the gifted son of Bobby Bonds, himself an extraordinary but moody ballplayer, but Barry has worked at outdoing Dad in ways both good and bad, choosing to leave a lot of disgusting tracks as one of the game's long-running jerks.

    Lately, to his credit, the new Sultan of Smash has toned down the nastiness, upgrading at least to his father's career level of sweet-and-sour behavior. Forgiveness for Barry is absolutely reachable, but it will take a while and even more effort. You do not erase a lifetime of shin kicks with a few belated cheek kisses.

    I've seen Bonds in his ugly mode. He is the personality antithesis of Luis Gonzalez and Cal Ripken. Stories of the Barry attitude could fill volumes. One especially nagging comment came from a woman who was Pirates treasurer during his Three Rivers Stadium tenure. She told me about a millionaire athlete's nauseating and relentless greed, soaked with nonstop Bonds arrogance, plus an even more disturbing habit of degrading "little people" in the franchise's office.

    Nah, this Barry is no Babe, Roger, Mark or Sammy. Bonds could be one of finest dozen players, a three-time MVP, now the eye-popping champ of HRs, as well as being a superb defensive outfielder. But he still needs a lot of work on being a good guy.
     

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