J-Kidd bashing the refs

the play at the end of the game was pretty bad though, carter dribbing around the permiter and Maxiell (i think) takes two forearms and bumps/shoves him like crazy and nothing is called. the bump was pretty bad, it would have been called a few years ago before the new touch rules on the perimeter. carter was clearly knocked off balance and then had to regain his dribble to put up a shot. the push while done before the shot threw off any rhythm carter had and should have been called a foul.

frank was really upset during the game and after the game he was furious and rightfully so detroit got away with a big foul at the biggest time of the game. it was probably because the foul on carter which sent billups to the line was a very ticky tack touch foul on the way to the basket, carter tried to avoid contact and billups lowered his shoulder and then faded back for a shot. carter though was in the "imaginary box" under the basket

 

refs on pistons nuts.. whats new?

the pistons and their beer throwing fans should die a slow painful death

 

The refs are a disgrace to the league and should be fined/disciplined more harshly than any player or coach

 

This has been a probably with the NBA that games are called very inconsistently. Depending on who you are and what team you play on the way you are called will change.

 

I thnk what hurt Carter was that he recovered from the shove and then put up a jumper. Had he fallen or put up a shot as he was shoved he might have had a better chance of getting a whistle.

 

What Sishir Chang said is the problem. Games are called too inconsistently. As long as refs want to call fouls different depending on the situation, then there will be frustrations.

The refs didn't want to "decide" the game here by calling a foul when they guy wasn't shooting, no matter that he was clearly fouled. On the previous play, they were rewarding the player's aggressive drive to the hoop.

 

You are saying he should have flopped?

 

That is why it is so hard for me to embrace Wade, although I admit he is a great player. But sometimes the calls he gets are just ridiculous.

Screw you, NBA refs. How dare you call yourself the best when you can't make consistent calls?

 

No. I'm saying that the referee might have decided that the contact didn't affect the player's ability to get a clean shot so he decided to let it go.

 

don't you think that shove prevented him from giving him that split second to beat his man to the hole and then possibly get the foul call at the basket? instead of just hoisting up the jumpshot because the defender went behind the pick?

 

Maybe.

Look, I didn't say it was the right call or that I agreed with the call. I'm just saying that the fact that Carter recovered from the bump and took a clean shot may have ultimately hurt him.

 

The refereeing has been the worst part of the NBA game for years, worse than even the decline in foundamentals. After the airline ticket income tax scandel in the 90s wiped out a slew of senior officials, it's gone to crap and never recovered (not saying that it was perfect before).

Homerism, Star protection, in-game inconsistency, and just plain overwhelmed refs have run rampant in the last 8 years. Things that were drilled into me when I reffed in college (never anticipate a foul and blow the whistle, don't call ticky-tack - call when someone gains an "advantage", etc) I see get blown game after game after game, and not just once or twice. Some referees simply are not up to the task.

It's tough reffing basketball - out of all the sports it's the one with the most action and is also the fasted pace. It's ridiculously demanding to try and take everything in and call it when it happens. That said, a full quarter of today's officials are not up to the task and another full quarter take shortcuts and cheat the game.

Evan

 

He's right to bash the refs, they made a stupid call at the end of the game, and didn't make the same call on the other end when Vince was trying to win the game.

 

Ain't NBA refs lifetime appointees? The NBA system and the mechanism so implanted prevent the refs from being held accountable. Regime change starts from the top -- David Stern and Stu Jackson. The "refs can do no wrong" and "you can't criticize refs" attitude and policy only hurt the image they are trying desperately to uphold.

 

Anyone notice the only reason Carter was being guarded by Rasheed in the first place was that Mikki Moore tripped Tayshaun Prince?

 

Well said. I think that 2nd to last play was called because refs anticipated the foul.

 

Anyone know where I can see a vid of that last play?

Couldn't find it on youtube yet.

 

I didn't get to watch the game, but there is one thing we have all known for a while...NBA refs are terrible. There has to be something done about this, but Stern is more concerned about protecting his refs than doing the right thing.