if we could trade steve francis straight up for allen iverson would you do it? the question is would you rather have iverson or francis. lets say hypothetically iverson loved tomjanovich and he didnt create any problems. hed always show up to practice on time and was good in the clubhouse. would you rather have francis the ball player or iverson the ball player? and im SORRY this is such a shallow pointless all-ready-been-done-before hypothetical topic. IM THREE YEARS OLD AND IM BORED OK!!!!!!!! SCREW YOU!!!! BACK OFFF!!!!!! ------------------ "Win the game, baby!" -Rudy T in the fourth quarter of game 4 of the 1995 NBA Finals
No. Francis will surpass Iverson in the years to come on a number of overall levels. He can shoot better, drive better, pass better, rebound better, and has the potential to definitely out do Iverson. Wouldn't even consider the trade. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Vote in the 64 player 1 on 1 NBA Tournament! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000958.html
There are only a handful of players I would trade Steve for. That nutcase Iverson isn't one of them. ------------------ "Don't they get cable in Canada ?" Keith olbermann, after watching hakeem block terry catledge's shot 5 times.
two factors make me say Francis 1. He has only played one season, thus more potential. 2. Francis' passing skills are way superior to Iversons, actually iverson is a terrrible passer. Right now iverson is a better scorer and better defender, if he improved his shot selection, he could probably stay ahead of Steve in terms of scoring, but that also relates to playing SG instead of PG. Maybe with a different coach or playing environment Iverson could be even better, or if he decides to improve his work ethic plus a whole preseason with Toni Kukoc could also make the Sixers a force and maybe that sniff of success will help him. But all in all I'm going with Francis. ------------------ Discombobulation Imminent
You are a pretty foul-mouthed, demented three year old. I say your parents trade u for a decent little kid. Even the Fun Police does not appreciate kids cussing and coming up with stupid trade ideas. Philly would trade us Iverson in a sec for Francis. Cat how can u say Francis is a better penetrator than Iverson. Francis is better in every other aspect of the game except for penetrating. Oh, and how can a three year old come up with the name Virgin Suicide? ------------------ Fun Police Says: 1. Posting in appropriate forums Sucks! 2. Grammar and sentence structure are not FUN! 3. Duplicate threads are really FUN! 4. Conduct yourself in a FUN way! The Fun Police are Watching. Eat MANGOES & Have FUN or be Assimilated.
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If you think Francis can drive better than Allen Iverson, I'm afraid you haven't seen Iverson play very regularly. Francis is fantastic, but doesn't compare to "The Answer". Nutcase? After reading reports that he doesn't show up to practice on time, you've concluded he is a nutcase? I'm not sure I understood what you mean here. Lack of experience = potential? Iverson is a terrible passer? Then how would you explain his season assist averages of 7.5, 6.2, 4.6, and 4.7 a game with nothing-players on his team? He didn't just stumble across those too, did he? As for the question, I wouldn't trade Francis for Iverson simply because Francis is a much bigger player, thus I think he will be more durable during the long haul of his career. However, give credit where credit is due. ------------------ "I wanna eat his children." [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited August 03, 2000).]
It's just my own personal observations from watching them play. Franics is larger, has great leaping ability, and has about the same penetrating ability that Iverson does IMO, and combining the advantages Steve has in height and leaping ability I personally think Steve is better at driving to the hole than Allen. Maybe I'm wrong, but comparing what I've seen of Allen (a lot) to Francis I would prefer Francis in that area. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Vote in the 64 player 1 on 1 NBA Tournament! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000958.html
I'm afraid I don't understand what leaping ability has to do with penetrating. Also, Iverson is just as good a leaper as Francis. He's about 5'10, and if you saw him at Georgetown, he can throw it down with the best of them. ------------------ "I wanna eat his children."
i agree with everyone else,francis is one of the best all-around players in the game and there are not that many specially at the point. if i was three on my parents computer i think i might get b****-slapped! ------------------
One main part of driving to the hole is being able to finish. A player with a greater leaping ability therefore has a greater ability to finish off his drive with a jumper. Maybe I'm wrong, and I know Iverson can slam it home, but I don't think his vertical is close to Steve's. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net Vote in the 64 player 1 on 1 NBA Tournament! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000958.html
There's a reason Iverson averaged 30 pts a game before he started playing hurt. For someone without a great shot, he can score like nobody else. I agree with thecabbage here: Francis is bigger, harder to post, and very likely more durable. I also hear that Iverson doesn't take care of his body. I actually think that Iverson might actually be better than Francis at his peak... I just think it'll be shorter. In a different thread, I compared Iverson's success in Philly to Shareef's lack of it in Vancouver. I have to say that the way that Garnett and Iverson have made excellent teams with very little help amazes me. They're phenomenal... I'd hate to see Iverson paired with another all-star (though i'm not sure how you'd find shots for both of them ). ------------------ The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001.
nutcase is a strong word. But, at his best he is competitive. At his worst he is selfish, doesn't show up to practice, is moody, and isn't a team player. Of course you could say that about all of us. If allen is 5'10" then steve is 6'1". Lets not get into this debate again. Allen can dunk, but without the authority of Francis. Allen isn't a creative dunker to me. I know it isn't part of the game, but Steve manages to work it's way in. ------------------ "Don't they get cable in Canada ?" Keith olbermann, after watching hakeem block terry catledge's shot 5 times.
Iverson is only 5'10?!?! Damn, how tall is Damon then? ------------------ Fun Police Says: 1. Posting in appropriate forums Sucks! 2. Grammar and sentence structure are not FUN! 3. Duplicate threads are really FUN! 4. Conduct yourself in a FUN way! The Fun Police are Watching. Eat MANGOES & Have FUN or be Assimilated.
Oh,... Damon's probably around 4'2"-- I measured him a few years ago before he hit puberty- he was ONLY 3' 7". Elie17 ------------------
if damon is 4'2" then im 5'1". we both know that isn't true. ------------------ "Don't they get cable in Canada ?" Keith olbermann, after watching hakeem block terry catledge's shot 5 times.
Keep Francis... it's harder for defenders to see past his heed. ------------------ "At one of these governors' conferences, George [W. Bush] turns to me and says: 'What are they talking about?' I said: 'I don't know.' He said: 'You don't know anything, do you?' And I said: 'Not one thing.' [Bush] said: 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived." --Republican Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico shares a verbal exchange that took place between he and George W. Bush. (Quote is from the Los Angeles Times, 5/31/00) Dubyah Speaks
I wouldnt trade Francis for anybody either. But if he we had to pick one, it would be KG. ------------------ Fun Police Says: 1. Insulting fellow posters without my permission is not FUN! 2. Spelling, grammar and sentence structure are not FUN! 3. Stupid BBS names are not FUN! 4. Annoying Mango can be really FUN! 5. Conduct yourself in a FUN way! The Fun Police are Watching. Eat MANGOES & Have FUN or be Assimilated.
Francis and Iverson play so much alike its like 2quarters in your right hand and 5dimes in the left. I think they are equal
