I want to know what the difference between what the two did is. Why isn't Iverson crucified like Rocker was. I admit I haven't listened to any of the songs, and from what I've heard about it, I don't want to. Supposedly dissparaging women and gays, while glorifying murder. Man enough to pull a gun? Whatever. If you are a fa**ot, prepare to sleep with the maggots. Uh-huh. Paraphrasing of course. I really don't see how that is not more offensive than those stupid comments Rocker made. Whoopedeedoo, they are in a song, big deal. They are still there. Too bad, I used to be an Iverson fan. ------------------ There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, lies, and heypeeisms. -DrofDunkingDonuts
In music, you have freedom of speech, to a degree. In a professional sports organization, anything you say to a reporter, in your uniform, can be punished. Strange how that freedom of speech thing works, huh? ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
I think he wasn't judged like Rocker because what Iverson did by releasing a vulgar rap album is viewed by many as exagerrated entertainment. The majority of these guys haven't ever done the things they rap about, but they have been around it and seen it first hand. He made everyone totally aware that the content of his album was for mature audiences and knowing that it was a rap album, alot of people wouldn't like the content. Iverson also apoligized, in his own words, immediately, knowing that there would be a backlash and really sounded sincere(as much as he could anyway). Rocker on the other hand didn't make his comments in the form of entertainment. He made them out of hate and prejudice. Also, Rocker didn't attempt to make an apoligy until he was told to do so. Even then, he had his lawyer write it for him. Rocker deserved the scruitiny he got. There may also be another factor, a double standard if you will. Rocker being a white guy, will always draw more attention for making racial remarks than Iverson, a black guy. Example, Reggie White. When he made his comments in the Senate about Asians, Hispanics, Jews. etc. It caused a minor uproar, but disappeared quickly. The league didn't get involved and the media pretty much left it alone. However, the minute Rocker made his comments, it was plastered all over every news and sports station across the globe. Whether we want to believe it or not, there is a double standard when it comes to situations like this. ------------------ Too often, we lose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, but it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and pimp-slap the mother****** upside the head!
Being a bleeding heart, I believe that they're both freakin' idiots, as well as Reggie White. Basically, anybody who's a bigot is an idiot in my book. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
there is no differnce except iverson is black and rocker is white.. iverson is allowed to say whatever he wants with no repercussions because he is black.. rocker cant say anything because he is white and different rules apply.. its hypocrisy at its finest and really sickening.. how come i have to walk on egg shells because i am white yet a black guy can say whatever he wants and we just laugh like its nothing.. tell me how that makes sense with double standards like that?i cant have an opinion with out it being racist someway..i really would give two sh*ts about iversons comments and truthfully i dont but its to prove a point that if rocker said the same things iverson did he would be ruined... how is that fair? well its not and different rules apply... SICKENING..ABSOLUTELY SICKENING... ------------------ I think people are forgetting that we are the rockets... WE DONT REBUILD...WE RELOAD....remember that..
Hey, at least white people aren't getting lynched. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
yeah outlaw but he promotes violence against gays as well...whats your point? he is no different than rocker whether it was on his own time or not... the only difference is that a double standard exists and black people can be more offensive and less sensitive than white people because of hundreds of years of opression that i am not responsible for yet have to walk a tight rope for on a daily basis as not to god forbid offend anyone.. i see that and why do i have to play by the rules...? i cant call you ****** but you can call me cracker or whatever else? its okay for you but not for me? PPPPLEEEAAASSEEE!! ------------------ I think people are forgetting that we are the rockets... WE DONT REBUILD...WE RELOAD....remember that..
Tex, next time I'm in Houston, I'll take you up on that. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
Hoop-T, I am not necessarily advocating the 6ers to do anything to him, I don't even think they legally could(though they have enough amunition to do SOMETHING to him based on all his misconduct last year). But what I don't understand is how Rocker was raked over the coals for so long by the media all over the freaking place, yet this tirade by a professional athelete is almost as offensive, if not more so, and it barely registers a blip on the media radar. ------------------ There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, lies, and heypeeisms. -DrofDunkingDonuts
hey i am not worried man i am just tired of people using racism as a crutch for other deficiencies... he cannot be forgiven nor looked at any differently than rocker... he is equally responsible for acting like a b*tch... i am just tired of double standards and this is an example of that.. ------------------ I think people are forgetting that we are the rockets... WE DONT REBUILD...WE RELOAD....remember that..
Crisco, Unfortunately, this type of thing in the music industry is not new. The bar was raised long ago as far as rap music going over the edge. Ice-T, NWA, and several other rap groups have released records with as bad or worse lyrics in the past. So, Iverson's antics, as wrong as they may be, are probably viewed in a much more acceptable light than Rocker's tirade. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." [This message has been edited by HOOP-T (edited October 06, 2000).]
Good post Pimp. I think he wasn't judged like Rocker because what Iverson did by releasing a vulgar rap album is viewed by many as exagerrated entertainment. anyone who finds demeaning women and killing gay people as entertainment are scum, in my book. The majority of these guys haven't ever done the things they rap about, but they have been around it and seen it first hand. He made everyone totally aware that the content of his album was for mature audiences and knowing that it was a rap album, alot of people wouldn't like the content. see, I don't understand this. Just because some rappers have been around this negativity doesn't mean they need to repeat it. What is the point? They only make it worse by glorifying it. Not ALL rap does this. Iverson also apoligized, in his own words, immediately, knowing that there would be a backlash and really sounded sincere(as much as he could anyway). if he was truly sorry he would change the song lyrics. Rocker on the other hand didn't make his comments in the form of entertainment. He made them out of hate and prejudice. Also, Rocker didn't attempt to make an apoligy until he was told to do so. Even then, he had his lawyer write it for him. Rocker deserved the scruitiny he got. I don't know if he necessarily deserved THAT much scrutiny, though he did worsen it upon himself by acting like an ass. There may also be another factor, a double standard if you will. Rocker being a white guy, will always draw more attention for making racial remarks than Iverson, a black guy. Example, Reggie White. When he made his comments in the Senate about Asians, Hispanics, Jews. etc. It caused a minor uproar, but disappeared quickly. The league didn't get involved and the media pretty much left it alone. However, the minute Rocker made his comments, it was plastered all over every news and sports station across the globe. Whether we want to believe it or not, there is a double standard when it comes to situations like this. I think this may be part of it as well. I am not exactly sure what to make of it though. ------------------ There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, lies, and heypeeisms. -DrofDunkingDonuts
Hoop-T, I suppose you are right. Still, Iverson dissappoints me. He is a damn good ball player, but he still has a lot of growing up to do. ------------------ There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, lies, and heypeeisms. -DrofDunkingDonuts
Artists in the music industry can always fall back on the "it is just music, if you don't like it don't buy it" or the "where are the parents anyway? It's their responsibility to raise their kids" arguments. There is always a loophole in that industry. It is not without controversy mind you, but I doubt if this Iverson CD will ruffle too many feathers. ------------------ There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
Sirhangover I guess 'Two wrongs don't make a Right' -THE #1 Saying by the doers of the 1st wrong. Double Standards abound If I'm not smiling . . I must be majorly pissed. . . If I reach for my wallet IT IS REASON TO SHOOT ME. . BEcause it 'looks like a GUN' When was the last time KKKops shot a white person because he fit the profile? yeah, I'm with you . . i wish double standards would just go away . . . then maybe i'll live to see 35 Rocket River ------------------
In my mind, what Iverson and Rocker both did was bad, but there is no way a one-on-one, sit-down, rationale interview is equal to a normally brash and cuss-full rap album. I can't say if it has anything to do with race, but if it does, I'm sure its minimal, in this case. I'm gonna have to concur with my brown brotha R0ckets03 on this one. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com [This message has been edited by Azim da Dream (edited October 06, 2000).]
I have to agree with all those that say both Iverson and Rocker are idiots. I agree that any black or white person for that matter who makes similar statements is an idiot. Sirhangover, I think somebody already mentioned this, but Eminem gets away with specifically naming people like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and making disgusting remarks about them. If that isn't proof that it's not "a black and white thing, it's an entertainment thing", I'm not sure what is. I agree with anyone that says too many people scream "racism" too quickly nowadays as a sort of defense mechanism. By the same token I see idiot co-workers make fun of foreigners' accents and names in public while I'm next to them and say things like "She doesn't like me because she's black, and you know how that goes". Many of you who haven't experienced this would never believe some of the crap I hear on a regular basis from co-workers that act as if I'll agree with them. What's even more stupid is that I'm a foreigner and they're telling these things to me. Hell, how bright can they be?! Idiots. ------------------ I got nothin'. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited October 06, 2000).]
I think we may be missing the largest difference. Iverson made a rap-album which contained derogatory comments. Something not out of the norm. Rocker made derogatory comments to s reporter for Sports Illustrated. That is not something that is expected. There is no surer way to get into the media spotlight than to make comments like that TO A REPORTER. Iverson made an apology and made it abundantly clear that the album was for adults only. Rocker wouldn't shut up about it and even confronted the Sports Illustrated reporter and threatened him. Iverson didn't threaten any one. Rocker's playing went seriously downhill from last year, possibly from the distractions caused by his comments and the uproar surrounding them. Iverson hasn't played yet, if he starts to play poor, and some people think that it may be because of the distraction of the album, I guarantee that it will be news ------------------ Who would've thought Don Nelson would pass up Olumide Oyedeji not once, not twice, but thrice?
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