How far can the NBA go before putting some kind of stop to cheating for the Lakers and putting some importance on fair play? Shaq committed two fouls in the first quarter, had to sit down for a few minutes. Since he's come back, he has committed at least 3 fouls according to the consensus of the announcers and most of us in the chat, possibly 5-6, and not a one has been called. If they would just call one, the Kings are probably up ten right now instead of tied. It's obvious Stern thinks he needs the Spurs and Lakers for ratings... its too bad they don't have to prove they are the best teams to get there. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
It really is pathetic how much the officials cater to Shaq. ------------------ Ceo of the Walt Williams and Lisa Malosky fan club. atheistalliance.org
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I was really upset during the game. Shaq should have fouled out in the first half, but instead they let him get away with everything. Then, just to make things as ridiculous as possible, they called a technical on Divac for complaining about the fact that the refs were completely biased in favor of the Lakers. ------------------
Nice to know when you have legitimate complaints about the game that announcers and most fans can see and have expressed as well, you get compared to Coach Sampson for posting them. I'm sorry to offend any of you who like the Lakers, but I can assure you, as many others will attest to, that there were several instances in that second quarter during which Shaq should've been called for his 3rd foul, but it was ignored every single time. And imho, there's a good chance the outcome of the game is different if Shaq has to sit down the entire second quarter. The Lakers are good anyway. They have two of the top players in the game, and their chemistry looks very good right now. But you should at least judge them on the same playing field you do everyone else in the league, and for today and several other times in the last two years, that has not been the case. Make them earn it like everyone else. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
So you seriously think Stern is telling the refs to not call fouls on Shaq so he can have a San Antonio-Los Angeles playoff series? Thats where the coach sampson conspiracy theory comparison comes from. Complaining about refs is fine, thinking that David Stern is ordering his refs to give the advantage to Shaq and the Spurs is crazy though. If this conspiracy were true, why haven't any former officials that Stern has fired come out and said it? ------------------ Saturday, Donny, is shabbas, the Jewish day of rest. That means I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f***** ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as s*** don't f****** roll! [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 06, 2001).]
Hey guys, don't worry about it. This is just setting up a good ol' Texas a** whooping for the Lakers, when they play the Spurs. The Spurs aren't the Rockets, but they're still a Texas team. DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!!! ------------------
I don't think Stern has to tell them-- it's pretty much common knowledge. The NBA is in a lot of ratings trouble already. If the Lakers lose, with the Knicks already out-- this could get ugly. Until the NBA breaks out of its ratings slump, unfortunately the Lakers will probably always get the benefit of the doubt in all situations come playoff time. This I do hold Stern and the league partially responsible for, because imho they do place more of an emphasis on ratings than they do on some of the other factors in the game that should be given more attention. The league wants ratings, no matter what they say. The Lakers give ratings. And unfortunately, there are times like today in which fair play can be sacrificed to accomplish that. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
So why do the refs care about the ratings? Do you think Stern would fire good officials that call the game fair? Why hasn't any disgruntled ref spoken out against Stern and his emphasis on making the refs make it so that the Lakers and Spurs have a better chance at winning it all? Also what happened in the Knicks/Raptors series? The knicks had a bunch of calls against them, that doesn't seem to make much sense since we're talking New York versus Canada ratings. I'd think Stern would have hinted to the refs in that series that NY needs to make it out of the first round. What happened? I think Stern would have preferred a NY/Philly series over a Toronto/Philly series. Why didn't the refs do what they were supposed to do and help the Knicks win that series? ------------------ Saturday, Donny, is shabbas, the Jewish day of rest. That means I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f***** ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as s*** don't f****** roll!
Are they? This years first round had the highest ratings ever. ------------------ Never Underestimate the Heart of a Champion
Cat, you 're wrong on this one, Shaq is playing like a man amongst boys right now. Referees arent getting those rebounds, hitting those hooks or swatting shots away. Sometimes shaq gets away with calls but so do the centers going up against him. The referees arent helping the lakers, and I think that is pretty lame that anyone thinks they would. Give the Lakers and Shaq some credit. ------------------ http://www.democrats.com mgh 1925-2001 [This message has been edited by dc rock (edited May 06, 2001).]
Is that per game? or is it overall? Because this may have been the first time that every single playoff game was televised. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cat, you 're wrong on this one, Shaq is playing like a man amongst boys right now. Referees arent getting those rebounds, hitting those hooks or swatting shots away. Sometimes shaq gets away with calls but so do the centers going up against him. The referees arent helping the lakers, and I think that is pretty lame that anyone thinks they would. Give the Lakers and Shaq some credit. LOL! Let's take a poll here-- who got more calls, the Lakers or the Spurs? I'll guarantee you that the majority will say the Lakers. You want the Lakers to win, and you want the Spurs to lose, so therefore you act like what the Lakers do is perfectly fine but you act like what the Spurs do is wrong. You just want to have every excuse in the book if the Spurs win, and then act like nothing was wrong at all if the Lakers win. VJ, I was almost sure I read somewhere that ratings were down from 4.9 to 4.0 this year. You have a link or anything? Just curious. BGM, The refs wouldn't want to harm the company that pays their bills. And as for the Knicks getting bad calls against Toronto-- I didn't see it. And Houston and Spree are no Kobe and Shaq in terms of marketing. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
I have no idea if you're right or wrong, but could you be confusing your statement with the one the NBA issued stating that the first round attendance was the highest it's ever been? ------------------ NBA Draft Lottery is May 20th. Start praying now.
TheCat, I respectfully disagree. Doesn't the "You see things the way you want to" knife cut both ways though? I will grant that there were several missed calls in the Laker game(for both sides), but to suggest that this is a conspiracy is a little ludicrous. I think you give the refs a little too much credit. The NBA just set a record for attendance in the first round of the playoffs, they are not in the trouble you mentioned. And if it is a conspiracy to move teams along to increase ratings, why are the Knicks at home now? They have the largest market in the NBA. They certainly would have gotten into the second round if the conspiracy you propose exists. Don't you think that, despite refereeing errors in both directions, the better team just won those games? However, if you maintain that one NBA championship in the Stern era is tainted, then they are all tainted. And you know what that means. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
"LOL! Let's take a poll here-- who got more calls, the Lakers or the Spurs? I'll guarantee you that the majority will say the Lakers. You want the Lakers to win, and you want the Spurs to lose, so therefore you act like what the Lakers do is perfectly fine but you act like what the Spurs do is wrong. You just want to have every excuse in the book if the Spurs win, and then act like nothing was wrong at all if the Lakers win." You know whats funny about this, i was going to put the exact same thing about the spurs but edited it because i thought that would be stupid to compare the teams. (thats why the edited thing is at the bottom) can you tell me when i've ever complained about the spurs getting all the calls besides the Howard incident? I want to have every excuse in the book ? No, im not that one making threads about Shaq not getting fouled out. And the thread i made about howard was directed towards the referees, which had nothing to do with the spurs. I think your last post here was what YOU'RE thinking , because you are accusing me of things without any basis for the accusations. ------------------ http://www.democrats.com mgh 1925-2001
Good point, we all know how marketable of a player Tim Duncan is. The San Antonio Spurs are known as one of the boringest teams in the NBA. I constantly see people complaining about how dull the Spurs are. Yet you think the NBA wants them to make the conference finals over the Mavs? It is a fact that the Knicks got into serious foul trouble in game 5 against the Raptors and that pretty much ruined their game. If you're going to say the league wants to promote their marketable teams why the hell would they want to promote the dullest team in the NBA located in a small San Antonio market over a young upcoming team in Dallas? Just because there are some arguable calls against the teams you like, doesn't mean Stern is out to get them. You just pick and choose your teams that you claim Stern wants to win. If I was David Stern, and I was into fixing games, I sure as hell wouldn't let Toronto beat New York. It's pretty obvious David Stern's dream final is New York versus Los Angeles, that is his dream series. How can you claim Stern's trying to fix the games so LA and San Antonio makes it to the western finals, yet ignore that New York couldn't get out of the first round because of foul trouble? I guess the refs for that NY/Toronto series didn't get the memo from Stern about helping one of the largest media markets in the world into the 2nd round. ------------------ Saturday, Donny, is shabbas, the Jewish day of rest. That means I don't work, I don't drive a car, I don't f***** ride in a car, I don't handle money, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as s*** don't f****** roll!
I will grant that there were several missed calls in the Laker game(for both sides), but to suggest that this is a conspiracy is a little ludicrous. I never said there is a conspiracy for the Lakers to win. What I did say, and what I have said for a year, is when the game gets down to the clutch the referees have a tendency to go with the Lakers. because you are accusing me of things without any basis for the accusations. You said the Spurs were getting breaks, and you act like the Lakers were perfectly fine today. That is a basis for you to be one sided in this case. Puedlfor, The NBA was fine in the Houston-Chicago- San Antonio years. It isn't now, at least not from a ratings standpoint. I don't think Stern is telling every ref to call the game this way, but I do think the refs know what is best for their business, and for right now that is giving the Lakers the benefit of the doubt. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
Yet you think the NBA wants them to make the conference finals over the Mavs? The NBA needs to be able to market a series with its "two best teams" with the best record, biggest stars, etc. Ratings for SA-LA would be much higher than Dallas-LA. And about NY-- the majority of the calls I saw in that game were pretty obvious, and had to be called. And it's debatable on whether NY-Philly would attract more viewers than Toronto-Philly. New York is New York, but there is only one Vince Carter. I'll tell you this-- I know that I personally am a lot more excited about Toronto-Philly than NY-Philly, and that is to a large extent because Vince is there, one of my favorite players. So in that series, the ratings, etc. would be fine either way, so I don't think any side consistently got the benefit of the doubt. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor, Jason Collier, and draft Richard Jefferson fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! Sign up for season 2 of the CC.net NBA Sim League! http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum12/HTML/000328.html
