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Its 100% JVG's Fault, Heres why >

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sweetie, Nov 28, 2003.

  1. sweetie

    sweetie Member

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    I havent seen the whole first half,only about 5 minutes actually. Then I flipped to the spurs/lakers game,then back again. And I watched the offensive plays set up by the other COACHES of the spurs,lakers,kings,rockets. The rockets look disorganized,thats JVG fault. The other teams have five guys spread out evenly,and all 5 guys move without the ball,the rockets only have 1 guy moving without the ball and play alot of 2 man sets,and isos. The reason I know the term "two man set" is because I read that in the chron from JVGs own words. He even admits it. Thats when I knew about 1 month ago that he wouldnt exactly be an offensive guru. Count how many passes the Kings do on each possesion,and the Spurs and Lakers. Its ends up a hot potato and they usually do between 3-5 passes,whereas the rockets to my surprise even usually do 1 maybe 2. Its simple really. The rockets have two plays in the playbook. 1) dump it into Ming and let him try to score (the same as Rudys offense) and 2) let Steve dribble around a pick and shot as many times as he wants

    He isnt even that good of an defensive coach either. Other teams run zone all game,and wear out opposing offenses. The rockets have Yao Ming and play man to man and actually end up wearing out the rocket players chasing around each and every man on the other teams offense instead of staying in an area playing zone to conserve energy.

    Jvg has got to go. To bad I know my input is useless because I seriously doubt JVG will ever change or quit. He had this exact same offense in NY. He had a younger allstar in Spreewell and ALlan Houston,and before and after Ewing all they did was a 1 man iso or 1 pass for a two man slow,boring set to lead to 80 pts. This offense is more talented than the Webber less Kings,yet the Kings are dominating. Its not the talent level,or an individual players fault. Its the pure offense set up and I blame all the blame squarely on JVG shoulders.
     
  2. annthuyn

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    go back to the lakers/spurs game
     
  3. annthuyn

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    of course he's not a good def coach because we're only one of the very best def team this year
     
  4. Apollo Creed

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    Well, as long as you know.
     
  5. JayZ750

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    Not to sound rude or anything, but if you FIRST heard the term 2-man set only a month ago, well, you have a ways to go before truly undestanding the intracacies of that set or any other....

    The 2-man set is more than enough to run a cohesive, flowing, passing offense. Especially if you're two men are Yao Ming and Steve Francis. More movement is need from the other 3 positions, but even without it, a simple pick and roll with two skilled players require the defense to rotate and the ball to find open men - the Rockets screw up on that part, too often failing to make the extra pass that so many other teams/players, so instinctively do. The Rockets are getting better against the crappier teams who only rotate defensively for a pass or two - and we have JVG to thank for this. Against a good defensive rotating team, the ball has to keep moving constantly...this CAN be done with dribble pentration - it CAN'T be done with indecisiveness - this is the Rockets main offensive problems. Players either (a) feel more comfortable holding the ball for a second or two before making a decision or (b) would drive/pass/shoot quickly but aren't on the toes of their feet, ready to do so, expecting a pass to them at all times even if they don't frequently get it. That is where JVG has to improve this team. He can work on part (a), but a player is what a player is. Put Jason Kidd on this team and you'd be saying JVG's two man game is offensive brilliance - guarantee it.
     
  6. sweetie

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    two stars for the truth. Okay. Live in denial. Trade your Francis for Brand or a true point guard and I guarantee the offense will be the same if not worse.
     
  7. sweetie

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    nope. Yeah pull out stats. Slowing down the offense to 80pts and slowing the game down to lower possesions isnt a great defensive team. When the other teams have good scorers like Dallas and Kings the defense looks terrible.
     
  8. sweetie

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    And yours is to,in case you didnt know. In fact, everyones input here is useless because the front office decisions arent made from a forum. Thats why Im kinda wondering why bother posting or for fans here to have upwards of 10000 posts because it gets the team no where. The slow offense will be here for another 4 years until a new coach is brought in.
     
  9. annthuyn

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    yet you're still here :)
     
  10. JayZ750

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    Trade your Francis for Brand..

    Maybe, maybe not - depends who the PG is then. Moochie? It will definitely get worse, then.

    or a true point guard...

    Nope...a true PG doesn't even have to be great to make a huge difference in the flow of a team. Put Jason Kidd on this team and it will be an instant title contender...just my opinion.
     
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    Hmmm maybe your the 1 whos "got to go":confused:
     
  12. rocketman113

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    no it's not JVG fault and apparently not rudy's fault either. This is a bad mix of players and it's time to make a change. Everyone but Yao should be up for trade because you won't get another center as good as him in a trade or any where else for that matter. Francis should be packing his bags.
     
  13. annthuyn

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    no, i think we should give the players a while to get used to the system. you don't learn it overnight.. this is a learning year for the rockets.
     
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    It's not JVG's fault....it's the players on the team. They don't have enough playmakers on the team, players that are willing to assist others. How can you have only 3 team assists after half? That's just incredible to me. This team isn't going anywhere unless they play team ball and get their assist up. Kings always lead the lead in assist per game and Rockets will always be the worst in team assist per game. Is it Jeff's fault? Yea you can say his offense suck because his players aren't creative. It's 50/50 ...i guess.
     
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    I agree with Sweetie, but not whole heartedly. JVG is too much of a micromanager and needs to let the offense flow a little more freely.

    But, we are in a new system with a new coach, with many new players. It takes time to gel. JVG does get our players ready to play.

    JVG is a good defensive coach. But he needs to implement a zone cuz it does wear out our players. However, We are a good defensive team. Milking the clock and giving the other team only 50 possesions is not a good mark of a great defensive team, only a time wasting one.

    Don't be hard on sweetie. She is right. Our offense is predictable. Steve and Cat are only somewhat efficient because of his incredible athleticism. If Steve or Cat could learn to catch and shoot, stop and pop he would be much better and more of a threat and more dimensional. They could even come off a curl and it would be so easy. Especially with Yao as the pick man.
    Yao needs to use that strength, like Bill Walton says "throw it down big man, throw it down". We need to run less predictable offensive sets so we can keep the defense on their heels, like how sac showed us up.

    Yao can't dominate like shaq and niether can steve so we need to use unpredictability which we are capable of. We just need a whole lot more movement, like 4 players moving and we don't need to hold onto the ball like its our last dinner.


    Also, honor other people's opinion and don't clown like your are Naismith reincarnate.
     
  16. annthuyn

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    the difference between you and her is that yours is constructive criticism. she's just rude and pesstimistic
     
  17. Rockets10

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    this is absolutely NOT a learning year!! How many years are we going to keep waiting for things to change?? JVG has himself said that there is no excuse for this team to not perform RIGHT NOW. There should be no more excuses now, the players either perform well or changes will have to be made. I am not rashly saying in any way that we have to necessarily break up the team now after another bad loss, but I am saying that the excuses that this team is growing, building, learning, etc are a bunch or crap. Time will only tell, but we can't keep providing the team with shotty excuses.
     
  18. JuNx

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    Thats true just because the rox started winning doesnt mean that they allready learn the system perfect. Wait till AG and Pike are %100 and at least all star break and then evaluate what changes need to be maken.
     
  19. annthuyn

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    that's true, we should be improving and performing well, but you can't compare us to one of the already good teams. it'll still take a while for everything to sink in
     
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    JVG needs Rogaine--but he does not need to go.
     

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