Interesting piece about how the ISraelis view different 'challenges' in the region, and what they believe should be done, including apparently the end of the Bush pro-democracy push in the Arab world and making Iran a top priority. The Israelis need to understand that we're trying our best to salvage Iraq as much as we can to at least have a government there up and running, get the Iraqi soldiers/police organized enough to be able to secure some parts of the country, and then withdraw a good chunck of our military present there. In order to do all these things, we need cooperation from both the Syrians and the Iranians (especially the IRanians because of their influence in the south). http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31413 Israelis Grow Troubled by Bush Priorities Analysis by Jim Lobe 12/14/05 "IPS" -- WASHINGTON, Despite their mutual enthusiasm for ousting Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Israel and the United States appear increasingly at odds over what to do about the larger Middle East region. While the administration of President George W. Bush favours, or is at least indifferent to, the collapse of the Baathist regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad, the Israelis reportedly made it very clear in high-level talks here late last month that they do not see the alternatives to the young leader as particularly attractive. At the same time, while Washington appears relatively content with Europe and Russia taking the lead in diplomatic efforts to persuade Iran to curb its nuclear programme well short of any weapons capacity, Israel is growing concerned that Washington's threats to push for international sanctions or even attack suspected nuclear targets in Iran are becoming less and less credible. The government of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, whose new party is expected to emerge as the strongest in elections next year, is also increasingly worried about Washington's pro-democracy drive for the region. In its view, the U.S. campaign risks empowering Islamist groups that are ideologically even more hostile to Israel than the authoritarian regimes they are challenging. (so the Israelis are opposed to democracy in the Arab world?) In that respect, the strong showing by the candidates affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood in recent parliamentary elections in Egypt, the Arab state with which Israel first established peace, is considered particularly ominous. The notion that Sharon is unhappy with the direction of U.S. policy in the region naturally challenges the view that Israel exercises a dominant -- if not decisive -- influence over Washington's Middle East policy, particularly since the rise within the Bush administration after the September 2001 attacks of neo-conservatives for whom Israel's security is considered a core principle. But neo-conservatives have generally held their own views about how that security can be best ensured -- usually in ways that are much closer to the right-wing Likud Party, whose ranks Sharon has just deserted, than to an Israeli government whose policies they consider too dovish. Thus, while they cheered Sharon for his harsh crackdown against the second Palestinian intifada, many neo-conservatives broke with him over his disengagement from Gaza. In spite of their gradual decline in influence in the Bush administration since the Iraq invasion, neo-conservatives have been lobbying hard for the past two years for a policy of "regime change" in Syria. If necessary, this would include limited military strikes designed to humiliate Assad and punish him for his alleged failure to dismantle operations by the Iraqi insurgency and "foreign fighters" in Syria. They have been backed by the same hard-liners who championed the Iraq invasion, notably Vice President Dick Cheney and some senior Pentagon officials. In the past year, neo-conservatives have also argued that overthrowing the Baathist regime in Syria would add momentum to U.S. efforts to spread democracy in the region, particularly in the wake of Damascus' withdrawal of its military and intelligence forces from Lebanon after the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in February. The withdrawal, as well as the subsequent U.N. investigation that has pointed the finger at Damascus, has strengthened those in the administration who favour "regime change". But Israel, whose own analysis of the situation in Syria echoes that of regional experts in the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the State Department, has voiced strong reservations, most recently at last month's strategic dialogue. According to an account of Israel's presentation by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency (JTA), the Israeli representatives cited three possible post-Assad scenarios, "none of them good". They included chaos that could actually see the spread of Iraq's burgeoning sectarian conflict engulfing Syria and even Lebanon; the seizure of power by the Muslim Brotherhood; or the emergence of another leader from Assad's minority Alawite sect who would be far more authoritarian. In their view, both Assad's secular domestic opposition and his exiled foes, notably neo-conservative favourite Farid Ghadry, are far too weak and disorganised to rally a mass following or seriously contest power. To the Israelis, according to an account in The Forward, the main U.S. Jewish newspaper, Assad "is more than 'the devil you know,' he is the only Syrian that can maintain order". "The status quo in Syria seems to Israel to be the least bad scenario; a weak, impotent leader without any cards to play," said Leon Hadar, an Israeli-born expert whose recent book, "Sandstorm", argues for a much reduced U.S. role and presence in the region. "The short- and medium-term Israeli interest is clearly not to see anarchy or chaos in either Lebanon or Syria with all the mess they have to deal with in the West Bank and Gaza," he said. If the Israeli government fears the administration's activism when it comes to Syria, it is far more concerned about U.S. passivity over Iran's alleged nuclear weapons programme. This is particularly so in light of recent threats against the Jewish state by Tehran's new president, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, and an Israeli military intelligence assessment that such a programme could become irreversible as early as next March. At last month's talks, Israeli officials reportedly reproached their U.S. interlocutors for agreeing to delay an effort to press the board of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to refer Iran to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions in light of a previous IAEA finding that Teheran had withheld information about its nuclear programme. Washington instead agreed to delay a campaign to bring the issue to the Security Council in order to permit the so-called EU-3 (France, Germany and Britain) to present a Russian proposal to resolve the current stand-off over Iran's uranium enrichment plans. Israel's complaints coincided with an extremely rare public criticism of the administration by the chief Zionist lobby in Washington, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee. The group, which is particularly powerful in Congress, warned that further delay "poses a severe danger to the United States and our allies, and puts America and our interests at risk". The Israelis were particularly taken aback, according to The Forward, by the administration's failure to vigorously object to a recent Russian deal to sell Teheran more than one billion dollars worth of anti-aircraft missiles, "which could be used to help Iran protect its nuclear facilities against a possible air strike". They were also displeased by the announcement that the U.S. ambassador in Baghdad, Zalmay Khalilzad, has received presidential authority to resume direct talks with Iran about its interests and activities in Iraq that were cut off by administration hard-liners two and a half years ago. The Israelis and their supporters here fear that Washington's need for Tehran's cooperation in stabilising Iraq and thus permitting most U.S. forces there to withdraw over the next year has weakened the administration's leverage to push for stronger action against Iran on the nuclear issue, even as it continues to insist that Iran's acquisition of a nuclear weapons capability is "unacceptable".
Too damned bad, we do enough to help that country out as it is..... Democracy is a necessary step to a stable middle east. Israel would rather have all the tribes fighting amongst themselves. That is a short sighted view...besides don't they have a wall to build?
Can someone explain to me what the whole point of Sharon leaving his party to start another was? didnt he start up the party he was already in??? this stuff is confusing.
Iran is a democracy. The Palestinians have a democracy too. Lebanon's got a democracy. Stable? nope. If you want stability, you prop up dictators, which is what the US did with Iraq and continues to do in other countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, etc. If you want democracy, be prepared to accept the consequences, which do not mean mom, dad and apple pie most of the time.
Well the Likud basically split in half over the Gaza withdrawal. Half were in Sharon's camp and supported it while the other half opposed Israeli withdrawal. As a result, the party virtually split with Benjamin Netanyahu basically taking control of the more radical side while Sharon took the other half. All in all, its a good thing that the Likud did split because that only means they have less of a monopoly in the Knesset and thus more room for parties like Labor and Shinui to influence Israeli policy.
Could not have said it better myself. Israel could give a rat's ass about what style of government their neighbors have. Their best friend is KING Abdullah. Not exactly a beacon of democratic ideals. They would just like to avoid wars. They've been in a state of war for nearly 60 years, and don't have the taste for apple pie many of you seem to. Sharon's critics on the right have accused him of un-democractic activities in doing end-runs around the rules of the Knesset and the Likud party in order to undertake disengagement in Gaza, and the criticism is warranted. But, like his bolting to start a centrist party, it is all a calculated effort to get away from the unmanagable problem of trying to maintain the status quo in the Territories, and to Sharon, democracy is an obstacle to peace. No one knows that better than Sharon, who everyone knows is corrupt and heavy handed, but is the #1 guy for Israeli voters who want peace at this point. He's the only real game in town. If you are Israeli and democratic principles and American style-capitalism are more important than peace, stability, and a Palestinian state, you vote for Bibi Netanyahu. As Americans we should know what this situation is like. What if Mexico and Latin America had free, open elections and went radical Marxist? We b**** about Chavez in Venezuela and Castro in Cuba. Laughable. That's nothing compared to the sort of guys winning elections in the Mid-East: hizbollah, hamas, muslim brotherhood, etc. But if it makes any of you feel any better, I think half of Israel, and probably more than half the ME would gladly bolt if the US offered them green cards and a free plane ticket to New York. And that has nothing to do with principles either.
But if it makes any of you feel any better, I think half of Israel, and probably more than half the ME would gladly bolt if the US offered them green cards and a free plane ticket to New York. And that has nothing to do with principles either. There are too many Arabs to do this with them, but maybe it would be cheaper to just offer all Israelis a green card, a plane ticket and say $100 K to move here. They would be safer. Of course they would have to accept not being in a "Jewish State" as we believe in equal rights for all reilgions.
Oh yeah, so is Hong Kong. For the purpose of discussion, (1) When anyone who wants to run is free to do so and (2) When the people who are elected actually run the country, THEN you have a real democracy. Sham elections (or electing people to powerless positions) don't qualify as a democracy to me. Iran has elections, but a group of mullahs and a supreme ayatollah decide who can be on the ballot and hold ultimate power over the country. The Palestinian and Lebanese "democracies" are fledgling and it remains to be seen what happens. The Palestinian Authority must root out corruption and the other armed factions must respect the rule of law. Lebanon holds real promise, but it's just starting. If Syria's intimidation and siphoning of resources are both removed, Lebanon could be the true beacon of a prosperous, stable democracy in the Middle East. Within 5 to 10 years, that country's prosperity would stun most people. Your point on stability is well taken. The world would be in a heap of trouble if "free" elections were held in Pakistan.
For the last 10+ years, the Palestinians were in the iron fisted (but slipping) grip of Yasser Arafat. I'll grant you there was voting but that's about it. The corruption that is pandemic in the Palestinian leadership will be their undoing. It's beyond comprehension. The recent elections are much closer to legitimate. If/when Hamas decides to choose the voting booth over guns, Palestinian democracy will have arrived. The elections earlier this week are a huge step in that direction.
Is it possible that the rise of democracies which could elect radicals, would motivate the Israelis to start addressing issues (that have been reserved for the negotiating table) to appease the Arab populace? Could be entirely too late for that, but maybe it will provide further impetus to the peace process. I understand the need for the wall, but I also don't like that it potentially makes the Israelis feel more secure and comfortable with the status quo ... a security that is only temporary IMO. No matter what either side does, it always comes back to one point: they have to find peace with their neighbors because they won't have peace by any other means. Guns, bombs, bombers and walls won't ever work.
I agree that Arafat was corrupt, but he was elected multiple times, and the elections were for the most part fair. Technically speaking it was a democracy. I didn't like the results of the democracy and I also agree with you the the corruption sorely hurt the Palestinian people in a very real way, and it hurt their cause in a conceptual way.
So what if only 40% of people vote and only millionaires can run for office, but only if they get the necessary backing from the right corporate sponsors. Is that a real democracy? Certain things are in the eye of the beholder.