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Israeli Terrorists

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  1. insane man

    insane man Member

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    Last update - 22:43 12/01/2006
    Settlers torch two Palestinian homes in Hebron in protest
    By Aluf Benn, Amos Harel and Nadav Shragai, Haaretz Correspondents

    Settlers torched two Palestinian homes in the West Bank town of Hebron on Thursday in protest of army plans to evacuate settlers from shops they had occupied in the town's Palestinian market.

    Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz authorized Thursday the implementation of orders to raze three illegal West Bank outposts.

    Dozens of people live in one of the outposts, Hill 725, south of Nablus; five families reside in "Skali's Farm," near the settlement of Elon Moreh, and a few people live on "Arusi's Farm."

    The orders to raze the outposts are expected to be implemented in the near future. Settlers began preparing Thursday night to prevent the evacuation of the outposts, expected next week.

    The Israel Defense Forces has frozen its plan for a wide-scale operation next week, during which it was to raze nine homes in the Amona outpost, near Ofra, after the High Court of Justice agreed to hear an additional petition submitted by settlers against the orders.

    "The planned evacuation in the Amona outpost, near Ofra, will take place. The settlers' protest ahead of the planned evacuation makes no impression on anyone," a senior government official said Tuesday, in response to planned protests by the Yesha Council of settlements.

    Security forces and settlers have begun preparing for the expected clash between settlers and IDF and police officers evacuating the illegal outposts.

    haaretz
     
  2. Samurai Jack

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    Shouldn't the thread title read Israeli Arsonist.
     
  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Since there was a political or religious message behind it, terrorism is probably accurate.
     
  4. Samurai Jack

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    So, anyone who comits a crime with political or religious reasons / message behind it is a terrorists :confused:

    Maybe we should call them Israeli Protesters ;)
     
  5. Cohen

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    I believe that they're protesting because the Israeli gov is getting ready to boot them from what the Israeli courts consider illegal occupation of Palestinian land.


    Will you provide an update if they arrest the perpetrators?


    And are you comparing this 'terrorism' to suicide bombings?
     
  6. insane man

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    no im not equating murder with burning homes.

    but i am calling it terrorism given that its a non-legitimate political entity committing acts of violence for political motives. which i believe is fairly contrugent to the definition of terrorism most people use.

    and i would like to point out that the haaretz (an israeli newspaper) calls these 'settlements' and 'jewish neighbors' (words we see in our media) illegal outposts.
     
  7. Cohen

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    I don't know if the motivation was, but I wouldn't argue against the use of the word 'terrorism' since it may very well have terrorized people. Regardless of the semantics that people may elect to use, it was clearly wrong and hopefully they will be punished.



    As I mentioned, the Israeli courts and government agree.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    It all depends if people were in the homes when they torched them. I didn't see it clarified one way or the other in the article. Perhaps the title alone lead me to believe there people in the homes.

    I would say torching homes to kill innocents with a political/religious reason would be terrorism. If they just burned the building down, then probably not.
     
  9. rhadamanthus

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    That's a good definition. And poignant, if you're american.
     
  10. hotballa

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    yup, and Osama and the other radicals are doing their killing thing because of political reasons, we can just ignore all that "for Allah" business :rolleyes:
     
  11. tigermission1

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    Not sure where you got that from his definition of terrorism, so seems like you're jumping to conclusions a bit. Terrorism has and will always exist, regardless of whether it's for "Allah" or "Jesus" or anyone else. If you're suggesting it's terrorism because it's "for Allah", then you're basically saying absent of that it can hardly be considered terrorism.

    As for Bin Laden, well, he DID state that he had a list of 'grievances' he had with the US, and stated that he's fighting back because of 'transgressions' of the US against Muslims worldwide.

    It IS politically-driven, there is no denial of that. His biggest beef with the U.S. is the fact that we prop up governments in the Arab world that serve our interests but stifle dissent, rulers like the Saudi royal family, whom Bin Laden is especially concerned with.

    You can always use religion as a 'tool' of politics, and it has been used as such for thousands of years; not unique to Islam in any way.
     
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    My feeling is that the majority of Islamic terrorist motives are faith based and motivated, as opposed to political. I'm not saying it's terrorism because of "for Allah" I'm saying that the terrorism is religiously based. There's a difference between the IRA terrorists who were clearly politically motivated, and Islamic militants who see themselves fighting the "Great Satan" and its unbelieving "indidel" dogs. Its not a calling out of Muslims, I'm just talking about the rhetoric offered up by terrorists whose motivation comes from their interpretations of their faith.
     
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    It's clearly terrorism. It's like when the Klan burns a black church, that's terrorism.

    Terrorism has nothing to do with which side you are on if you are an intelligent person. Only a fool looks at the world that way.
     
  14. insane man

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    what exactly are you trying to say?

    is violence due to political motives not terrorism? terrorism is only that which is due to religious motivations? or is the only terrorism political and religious violence isn't terrorism?
     
  15. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This is pretty bad, but doesn't come close to the murder of innocent people. I don't know about the rest of you, but given the choice of having my house burned down or getting killed by a suicide bomber, I'll take having my house burned down 10/10 times.
     
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    You don't need to offer yourself up. You are not forced to take one of those two, in case you don't know. Or what you are really saying is, it's terrorism to kill people by blowing oneself up, and burning others' houses (those are innocent people too) is not as bad; therefore it's not terrorism?
     
  17. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I think both are terrorism, but one is worse than the other.
     
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    personally, i would rather die, than be tortured in hitlers nazi camps... does one of them make the other any less of being guilty of terrorism?

    Also, since i always hear this one when terrorists attack...
    how come none of you israelis and jews are apologizing for such pyromaniac actions?
     
  19. insane man

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    oh look. isrealis throw stones too. i thought it was just those terrorist palestinians. and look it seems to be for economic reasons. i thought all stone throwers were rapid fundamentalists who wanted to kill cops for god.

    haaretz
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Looks like you were 3 minutes late with that one. :)
    Are there any Israeli posters here?
     

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