Israeli officer: I was right to shoot 13-year-old child

The shooter might have been able to make a case if he has shot her only once, but emptying his magazine. Seems like cold blooded murder to me.

It would be nice of Israel to make a statement and come down hard on this guy.

 

Yikes we have the Israeli army trying to push their sanitized propoganda version of the story, and this guy getting tried for only minor offenses? He should have the book thrown at him. Whoever was in charged of pushing their propoganda version of the incident should also face some sort of huge fine, punishment, and future intense scrutiny.

 

The difference here is that when an Israeli murders an innocent Palestinian child he's put on trial. When a Palestinian murders an innocent Israeli child he's considered a hero and his family is honored.

Yet most of the pro-Palestinians fail to see this.

 

I thought we agreed not to source The Guardian anymore. What a sorry excuse for a news source.

 

There's a huge difference between a man in uniform being accused of emptying his magazine in a 13 year old girl from point-blank range and a terrorist doing the same. I'd like to believe that we can hold soldiers to far higher standards than that of a terrorist. If not, then God help us all.

 

Typical answer. We need to hold everyone to the same standard and until we do, terrorism will never stop because someone will always justify it. It sickens me that someon actually thinks that its different when an Israeli is accused and when a Palestinian is accused. Sickening.

 

Do a google search on:

IDF head shots

and get back to me about how well Israel polices itself.

 

So much pain and fear.

 

He is being put on trail for minor infractions, not for the murder of a child. The Israeli army isn't holding him responsible, they are lying about what actually happened, and got caught.

I'm sure if that is all it would take to be seen as policing their own, the Palestinians would have no problem citing terrorists with improperly registering their firearms.

 

Yes but have you ever seen a Palestinian given anything but a hero's treatment? No. I'm not saying Israel is doing anything major or anything near what it should. I'm simply saying that it sickens me that nobody wants to hold terrorists to the same standard and that's what perpetuates the problem.

 

I definitely believe that terrorists should be held accountable. There is never an excuse for targeting civilians. It doesn't matter what kind of injustice a people suffer, terrorism is not an acceptable method of combatting that injustice.

 

Israelis, Palestians, one in the same. Maybe God needs to bring a little Sodom and Gomorah justice to the Holy Land and spare the rest of the world from having to read about this crap anymore.

 

I find it hard to respond to you post with any semblance of discourse without a passionate plea...I'm truly horrified for you Halfbreed, and those of your ilk, that can be so casual about the murder of a frightened little girl. Maybe I'm overreacting or waiting for you to explain it away as "she was probably just a terrorist anyway..."

I completely disagree with you that terrorists and soldiers defending their country should have the "same" standards. That is preposterous, if you arguing for "moral" superiority that you radical conservatives are so fond of pandering to the masses with, then put your money where your ineffectual saber rattling is--SOMEONE has to rise above the fray.

I am just as saddened when some half-assed religious maniac blows himself up on a Bus in Tel Aviv and blows little children to pieces like the soldier in the story who methodically assassinated a small, defenseless girl. It angers me to see the faces of Jews, who have suffered so much, as they stumble from a recent bombing-dazed faces, streaming tears and smoke laying a disgusting pall over their homeland.

But, how can they look themselves in the collective mirror if they sink to the level of their enemy? You are so fond or right and wrong, why excuse a side that doesn't hold itself up as an example and follow their religious/intrinsic values in respect for their fellow man, even when it hurts or if their enemy is ruthless?

 

Umm... did you read the story?

That's at least one example of a Palestinian not getting a "hero's treatment".

And a hero treatment by who? By other Palestinians? Well yeah, they consider the Israelis enemies.

You think Israelis who do their part to eliminate the "Palestinian problem" aren't given a hero's treatment by other Israelis?

Understand that these two groups hate each other. It's just that the Palestinians are justified in their hate.

I'll use the same example that I've always used.

What would you do if tomorrow, the UN decided that they didn't like how the Indians were displaced, and that they should return to their original land? All American land was turned over to complete and total control of the Indians. Would you be able to leave? I doubt you'd have anywhere to go. So you'd stay.

Pretty soon, the Indians start denying you certain rights. This is their country now, you're a second-class citizen, and they can do whatever they want.

I bet you wouldn't fight back, right? Because you're a huge pacifist. You wouldn't fight them at all. If you had a gun, you wouldn't use it against them. If you had a bomb, you wouldn't detonate it.

Because you're the model of tolerance and fair play.

"The Indians got their stolen land back? Well, even though we've lived here for hundreds of years, good for them. Couldn't have happened to a nicer people. Especially after all the mistreatment they've received over the years."

I am not pro-Palestinians. I am pro-not-doing-stupid-and-unfair-things. The removal of the Palestinians in favor of the Jews is remarkably absurd and unethical. Why don't we go ahead and correct all of the injustices in history?

The Jews can kill 6 million Germans.

The blacks can enslave the whites.

The Japanese can make Californians build them railroads.

Alexander Hamilton can kick Aaron Burr's ass.

And then we'll let Hiroshima and Nagasaki pick two American cities to be hit with nuclear weapons. Probably Los Angeles and New York.

You can't do it. History is history. It is neither right nor wrong. It simply is.

The Jews were persecuted? Boo hoo hoo. Everyone was persecuted, at some point. The Jews are not the victims of every injustice that has ever been enacted through history, and should not be treated as such.

Were they removed from their land? Yes. But so were many others. That doesn't mean you get to go back to your original land and remove the people that settled there after you left. Especially when they had absolutely nothing to do with your departure.

The Israelis should not hate the Palestinians. They should hate themselves. They should hate the fact that they allowed themselves to oppress Palestinians and deny them rights. They should hate that they only have a home because the inhabitants were unfairly kicked out in their favor. They should hate that the US funnels them billions of dollars a year, and they use it to protect themselves from the big bad evil terrorist nations around them.

Maybe the Israelis wouldn't be so hated if they treated the Palestinians a little better.

Would negotiating a peace really be that hard? Make the Israelis give up some of their land. They're lucky to have it anyway. They should be living in Germany, and driving on the autobahn.

Start giving the Palestinians money. Improve their quality of life, and they might not feel so compelled to blow themselves (and other innocents) to pieces.

If all of these Middle Eastern nations respect strength so much (as we're told by the government), then why don't we use that constructively? Take a hard stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Make both sides make concessions (but mostly Israel).

The other nations will see two things:

1. Our "strength", shown by the fact that we are willing to step in and take control of a situation not by killing people, but by simply giving them no other option. You think Israel would start doing what we told them if we threatened to lessen the money we give them? I do. It takes a lot to keep yourself afloat among a sea of people that want to see you dead.

2. Our "punishment" of the Israelis, which, as we've established, isn't really punishment at all, but a return to fairness. If the surrounding nations hate Israel so much, I'm sure they'd be happy with us for taking away some of their land.

I bet terrorism would decrease.

Instead of using our influence to inject elements of Western culture into their world, we'd be using it to give them peace and admitting that they deserve the right to shape their own region.

We'd be heroes.

 

I'm with halfbreed, until the Palestinians start punishing the remains of suicide bombers, all Israeli soldiers should be allowed to open fire on innocent children, basically scare and terrorize the Palestinian people until they act the way we want them to. Hell, they ought to plant bombs in their government buildings as well.

 

Maybe the Israelis could open a theme park, where participants can buy their ticket, get liquored up, grab a gun, jump in an armored IDF vehicle, cruise through the occupied territories, and ...

Seriously though, the IDF treats the Palistines like cattle, with impunity from the rest of the world. The IDF kills 7 Palestines for every suicide bomber death. To get one suspected terrorist, the IDF will bomb an entire house, innocents and due process be damned. The big kicker in my book is that the IDF sharpshooters use rubber bullets (to pacify international concerns) and aim at their targets eyes so as to maximize the damage (either killing their victim or maiming for life).

There should moral outrage in this country about our support of Israel.

 

So if the Israelis' committed genocide on every last Palestinian left there tomorrow, would it be "history" one year later?

 

First, if the article is accurate, I'm glad the soldiers contacted the media and there should be murder charges brought. That's disgusting and inhuman.




Originally posted by Ender120
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And a hero treatment by who? By other Palestinians? Well yeah, they consider the Israelis enemies.

What kind of backward logic is that?

The Israeli's consider the Palestinians to be enemies, yet don't call soldiers who now kill unarmed civilians 'heros'.


You think Israelis who do their part to eliminate the "Palestinian problem" aren't given a hero's treatment by other Israelis?

Did you read the article? The soldiers would not accept a whitewash and went to the media.


Understand that these two groups hate each other. It's just that the Palestinians are justified in their hate.

What crap. Neither side is 'justified' in hate.


I'll use the same example that I've always used.

What would you do if tomorrow, the UN decided that they didn't like how the Indians were displaced, and that they should return to their original land? All American land was turned over to complete and total control of the Indians. Would you be able to leave? I doubt you'd have anywhere to go. So you'd stay. ...

Your analogy falls apart. 'We' did not inhabit America 3000 years ago.


I am not pro-Palestinians. I am pro-not-doing-stupid-and-unfair-things. The removal of the Palestinians in favor of the Jews is remarkably absurd and unethical. Why don't we go ahead and correct all of the injustices in history?
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You can't do it. History is history. It is neither right nor wrong. It simply is.

That's right. And only that perspective will help lead to peace. What the UN did almost 60 years ago is history. Israel is not going away.


The Jews were persecuted? Boo hoo hoo. ...

What a ******* idiot. You have no idea WTF you're talking about.



Were they removed from their land? Yes. But so were many others. That doesn't mean you get to go back to your original land and remove the people that settled there after you left. ...

Seems like you're arguing the Israeli piosition again.



...Would negotiating a peace really be that hard? ...

Not if both sides pledge to live in peace afterwards. I don't see where Hamas has any plans to do that (regardless of Israeli concessions), do you?

 

The officer, identified by the army only as Captain R, was charged this week with illegal use of his weapon, conduct unbecoming an officer and other relatively minor infractions after emptying all 10 bullets from his gun's magazine into Iman al-Hams when she walked into a "security area" on the edge of Rafah refugee camp last month.

Murder charges, no. Hand slap, yes.