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Israel snubs Peace Candidate & Votes for More violence

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Jan 28, 2003.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    It is unfortunate that Israel still wants to continue to build settlements, defy UN resolutions and attempt to defeat terrorism almost exclusively with brutality and injustice


    On a positive sie it does look like labor is determined to oppose Sharon's policies and voice an alternative to the militry only approach to the issues.
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    Voters snub peace candidate and opt for more from hardliner Sharon


    The Prime Minister who has presided over two years of ever-rising casualties and an economic slide is voted back in

    By Justin Huggler in Jerusalem
    29 January 2003


    Ariel Sharon is set to remain Prime Minister of Israel after his Likud party won a resounding victory in national elections yesterday, according to television exit polls.

    Blamed by many for setting off the Palestinian intifada when he visited the Temple Mount, or Haram al-Sharif, Mr Sharon has presided over two years of ever-rising casualties, both Israeli and Palestinian, and the slide of the Israeli economy into crisis. Yet Israeli voters yesterday handed Mr Sharon a mandate to continue his hardline policies.

    An exit poll for Channel One television released as polling stations closed yesterday evening predicted that Likud would raise its share of seats in the Knesset, Israel's parliament, from 19 to 36.

    "Today is a day of victory for all of us," Mr Sharon said in his victory speech. "An historic victory, a great victory.

    "It is permissible to be happy about the victory, but there is no room for celebrations. The battle against the terror organisations has not ended, and it is claiming victims every day."

    Amram Mitzna, the leader of the opposition Labour party, conceded defeat. Labour suffered the worst defeat in its history, according to the exit poll, which predicted it would win just 18 seats. Telephone polls for rival television stations predicted similar results, with 32 to 35 seats for Likud, and 18 or 19 for Labour.

    Israeli voters roundly rejected Mr Mitzna's pro-peace election campaign, in which he promised to resume peace negotiations with Yasser Arafat and withdraw immediately from the Gaza Strip and within a year from part of the West Bank.

    In his concession speech Mr Mitzna was defiant, insisting he would not resign, as his rivals in the party began to suggest, but would lead the party in opposition. "The Labour party under my leadership will remind Sharon and the entire public every day and everywhere that there is an alternative. That there is another path," he said.

    The polls were more confused about the results further down, where the secularist Shinui party, led by Tommy Lapid, appeared to have beaten the ultra-Orthodox Shas party out of third place. Channel One's exit poll gave Shinui 15 seats to Shas' 12, while the other two polls gave Shinui a stronger victory, with 17 seats to Shas' 10.

    For Mr Sharon, winning the popular vote yesterday was the easy part. He now has to put together a coalition he can work with.

    Mr Sharon has made it clear all along he wants a "national unity" coalition, including Labour. Such a coalition is also most voters' ideal outcome, according to the polls. But Mr Mitzna has made it equally clear he has no intention of taking Labour back into coalition under Mr Sharon, as they were for most of the past two years. That leaves Mr Sharon with a headache.

    Shinui's success will only make it a bigger headache. A secular coalition with Labour and Shinui would certainly be popular with the secular voters. But it could also alienate many Sephardim _ Jews of Middle Eastern and Mediterranean origin _ and religious voters who have traditionally supported Likud.

    If Labour stays out, Mr Lapid will be just as reluctant to go into a coalition that includes any religious parties. That would leave Mr Sharon relying on the sort of coalition he has said all along he does not want: with the far right, who have made it clear they will fiercely oppose any move towards the Palestinian state that President George Bush has called for, and which Mr Sharon says he plans to deliver. If the far right ties his hands, it could queer Mr Sharon's pitch with the Americans, the last thing he wants.

    Mr Sharon looks likely to continue his hardline policy in the conflict with the Palestinians _ the tanks and curfews will stay in Palestinian towns. Palestinians greeted the results with dismay. "Israelis are preparing themselves for more violence and escalation, not for a peace process," said Saeb Erekat, a Palestinian minister.

    Mr Sharon has said he will pursue President Bush's "two-state solution", but he has also made it clear that the Palestinian state he is talking about will have its borders and foreign policy controlled by Israel, and be on too little of the occupied territories for the Palestinians to be likely to accept it as a peace settlement.

    The turn-out was the lowest in the history of Israel elections, at 72 per cent.
    28 January 2003 19:26



    http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=373637
     
  2. 111chase111

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    On the flip side, don't the Palistenians keep voting for Yasser Arifat?
     
  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    A nation under attack is going to elect a warrior, not a peace-nik. This is just common sense.
     
  4. Mango

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    glynch,

    Why didn't the Palestinian factions try to help Mitzna win instead of working against him?
     
  5. RocketMan Tex

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    The reason Sharon won is because the other parties, especially Labor, didn't field strong enough candidates, unfortunately.
     
  6. Mr. Clutch

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    The Israelis voted for security and safety, not for injustice as you say. It may actually work for peace faster in the long run, if the Palestinians quickly realize that terrorism will only accomplish worse things for them.
     
  7. ILoveClutchCity

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    Why wouldnt they support terror when they have U.S. support? When are people going to realize that ISRAEL are the terrorist. Doesnt anybody read history,or do they just believe what the JEWISH owned media tells them. The palestinians land was stolen from them by the jews and we helped, this is why they hate us. When Iraq tried to take the kuwait's land, we go to war. Why we continue to support the religous group (judiasm) that has a profound hatered of CHRISTIANITY is beyond me.
     
  8. NJRocket

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    dude...get a clue
     
  9. Buck Turgidson

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    Mr. ILoveClutchCity, what you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

    Mango - excellent question.
     
  10. ILoveClutchCity

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    pick up some history books and prove me wrong SHEEP
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    He doesn't have to. He knows that your statement about the "Jewish media" proves you are a bigot, and that Jews do not hate Christians.

    Do you know who started the war in 1967?
     
  12. NJRocket

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    i can't even argue with you because what you said is so "out there"...go play in traffic...buh bye
     
  13. ILoveClutchCity

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    Some jews might not hate Christians but REAL jews do. Have any of yall every read the Babylonian Talmud??Many mistakenly think that Judaism is a sister religion to Christianity. The term "Judeo-Christian" has entered our modern lexicon to the point where no politician, George Bush on down, would dare even invoke the term "Christian heritage" without adding the prefix, "Judeo" to it. The term "Judeo-Christian" didn't even come into existence until after the Second World War when Jews became supreme in their influence over major media.

    The truth is that there is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. That would be like saying Satanic-Christianity. The religion now called Judaism did not even come formally into existence until six hundred years after Jesus Christ. It began with the codification of the Babylonian Talmud. In Judaism, the Talmud is the supreme scripture, not the Old Testament. Only Satanism can rival Judaism's vicious hatred for Jesus Christ. The Talmud even claims that Jesus Christ is being punished in hell by "being boiled in hot semen!"
    Interestingly enough, Islam is much closer to Christianity than Judaism. For instance, Judaism condemns the Virgin Mary as a prostitute and viciously condemns Jesus an evil sorcerer and a b*stard. The Talmud even claims Jesus was a sexual pervert who had intercourse relations with his donkey. In stark contrast, although Islam certainly does not share all the Christian views of Jesus Christ, it views Christ as a true prophet of God, virgin-born, and that God resurrected Jesus from the dead. Ironically, the chief religious book of Islam, the Qur'an, actually defends Jesus Christ from the obscene slanders made against Him in the Jewish Talmud.
     
  14. X-PAC

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    Buddy, if you want to be accurate Great Britain more than anyone assisted the Jews in acquiring their own state. After the Jews backed Great Britian's battle with Germany in WWI the Balfour Declaration was issued (which the League of Nations approved of in 1922.) which called for Palestine to welcome the Jews. Later Hitler's policy called for the expulsion of Jews from German controlled territory but no other country would provide a safe harbor for the Jewish refugees. In 47' Great Britain left Palestine and successfully passed a resolution through the United Nations that called for the partitioning of the land. A year later the British mandate expired and Israel was decalred an independent state. Lets take a look at the root of the conflict first. But I have no empathy for those who hate Jews. If these people weren't so victimized in the past we wouldn't be talking about the conflict of today.
     
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  15. NJRocket

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    I cant help but hearing Daniel Carver's (supreme a-hole of the KKK) voice when I read that moron's posts. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Franchise2001

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    OK Hitler.. time for you to go now.

    You make glynch look like Golda Meir. Judaism is not a "sister" religion to christianity. It was more like a "father" religion. Christianity is based off the life of a JEW. You want proof that there were Jews long before Christ? Ever heard of archaeology? I guess not, because a bigot like you can't see past his growing nose.

    Go take your anti-Jewish rambling somewhere else.. its not welcome here. There are many members here that can get you banned noob.
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

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    I was thinking "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion"...
     
  18. MadMax

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    Please direct me to some passages in the Talmud that prove the claims you're making above.

    You're making a distinction between Judaism (which you say really didn't come about until after Christ) and Jews...I've never heard this distinction made. I can tell you that the New Testament is full of references to Jewish customs and the importance of not offending those customs. So much so that grown men who were disciples sharing the news of Christ, but weren't Jewish, were circumcised so as not to offend the Jewish leaders. I can tell you that the first place Paul went to when he hit a town to share the message of Jesus Christ was the synagogue or temple. And I can tell you that he proved up Jesus as Christ to many Jews using Old Testament prophecy about the Messiah.

    Again...I'm fairly ignorant of the Talmud, so help would be appreciated. I guess I need to read it.

    You are right that the Palestinians were given an awful, awful deal. And you are right that there are some Christians here who seem to blindly follow the idea that we should support Israel simply because they're Jewish (and that relation to end-times prophecy). You are also right that there are many Palestinian men and women who are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I think the situation dating back to the beginning is very similar to the oppression of Native Americans, which is certainly shameful to me. The problem is, there is no right or wrong at this point. When Palestinians target kids on school buses and couples at sidewalk cafes, they lose my sympathy. At the same time, when Israeli tanks roll over homes, leaving people homeless, they lose my sympathy. At some point both sides have to say, "we've made mistakes...and we've been wronged...we can't atone for all of our mistakes...and we can't expect to have revenge or atonement for all the ways we've been wronged..." It will take some amazing leaders to get that done...and from my view, it will take the grace of God. Let's hope...
     
  19. ILoveClutchCity

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    I am not saying that all Jews share this hateful attitude toward Jesus Christ, but the official position of Judaism is defined by the quotations.Obviously, it is important that Jewish groups don't let Christians know the truth about the hateful Judaic attitude toward Jesus Christ. Some Jews seek to deflect Christian criticism by saying that Balaam was not the name that Jews used to denote Christ. Yet, no less a major authority than the Jewish Encyclopedia, an encyclopedia compiled by the leading rabbinic organizations in the world, says that Balaam is the name they use to denote Jesus Christ. Under the heading "Balaam," it says, ".the pseudonym 'Balaam' given to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a."6 Such use of deceptive terms such as "Balaam" was a common practice in the middle ages as Jews tried to disguise their anti-Jesus and anti-Christian hatred from Gentiles who might dare to pry into the Talmud.



    Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105a-b)3
    Jewish priests raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished him in boiling hot semen.(57a Gittin)4
    She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter. (Sanhedrin 106a) [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin 52b) 5
     
  20. Mr. Clutch

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    Someone ban this guy.
     

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