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Israel destroys Bedouin homes to make way for Jewish town

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  1. Baqui99

    Baqui99 Member

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    This is absolutely classless and disgusting. Bulldozing property and making people homeless just to build some new settlments. What happened to Israel being a beacon of democracy of the Middle East?

    How can they justify treating people like this? No wonder these kids grow up with hatred after being treated like a piece of garbage?


    ILA destroys Bedouin homes to make way for Jewish town

    By Mijal Grinberg, Haaretz Correspondent

    The Israel Land Administration (ILA), with the assistance of an unusually large police force and IDF soldiers, demolished dozens of tin shack homes Monday in unrecognized Bedouin villages Um Al-Hiran and A-Tir in the northern Negev.

    The ILA is destroying the village and evacuating the inhabitants so that a Jewish Community named "Hiran" can be established in the area. Fourteen shacks, which housed some 100 people, have been destroyed by bulldozers so far.

    Bedouin women tried to get their children out of the house but police wanted to speed up the process so they grabbed the play pens with the children inside and did not let the mothers come near.

    "Tonight we will sleep on the ground",     Fajua Ab Abu Al-Cian said.

    Young men, roughly 18-years of age, wearing orange shirts are taking part in the evacuation, removed the Bedouin's property from their homes and put it in piles on the ground outside.

    Haaretz has discovered that these teenagers are outsourced workers who are employed by a contractor hired by the ILA. According to the evacuators, they are being paid in cash without any labor rights.

    According to Adallah, the Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel, the residents of the village have been living there for 51 years. They were transferred to the site in 1956 while under martial law. The land they originally owned was transferred to Kibbutz Shoval, while the Bedouin were leased 3000 dunam of land for agriculture and grazing.

    In August 2001 the ILA submitted a report on the establishment of new communities, which included Hiran. The Bedouin residents living in the area appeared under the title of "special problems" that may affect the establishment of the community.

    The government approved the establishment of Hiran in 2002, and in 2004 the state submitted a court order claiming that residents of Al Hiran should be evacuated as they are using state lands without permission.


    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/874814.html
     
    #1 Baqui99, Jun 25, 2007
  2. MadMax

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    #2 MadMax, Jun 25, 2007
  3. JuanValdez

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    I thought Bedouins were nomads; what are they doing living in shacks?
     
    #3 JuanValdez, Jun 25, 2007
  4. ChrisBosh

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    The Israeli's have always exerted their power on others…nothing wrong with that, they are doing what they have to do. It's the environment/conditions that exist in the part of the world that cause for these kinds of actions, whether right or wrong.
     
    #4 ChrisBosh, Jun 25, 2007
  5. hotballa

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    :rolleyes:

    lets try to tone that rhetoric down a notch mmk?
     
    #5 hotballa, Jun 25, 2007
  6. DonkeyMagic

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    lol. thats what i was thinking. I didnt even know bedouins were in that region
     
    #6 DonkeyMagic, Jun 25, 2007
  7. Lil

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    billions of your tax dollars every year go to support this regime, whether you like it or not. it's just part of being american! :eek:

    if you don't like it, feel free to move to dubai or venezuela.
     
    #7 Lil, Jun 25, 2007
  8. Franchise2001

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    I would sure as hell hope that there was financial compensation (as stated in some posts below the article on haaretz.com). If there was financial compensation, I don't see what the big deal is. The City of Houston will kick you out of your house and pay you the appraised value if they need your land. Is this fair, no... but another post at making the Israeli government seem like an evil entity is useless.
     
    #8 Franchise2001, Jun 25, 2007
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Oh noes, they tore down 18 shacks. :eek:
     
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  10. MadMax

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    wait...those were 18 HOMES, according to the article. i'm guessing those "shacks" represent a greater proportion of those people's total assets than mine does here in the U.S.
     
    #10 MadMax, Jun 25, 2007
  11. geeimsobored

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    But the city of houston doesn't tear down someone's house so someone else can build a house on the same spot.

    Eminent Domain is only supposed to be used for public programs or economic development programs, not developing residential communities. And its not like the Bedouins really have anywhere to go since Israel doesn't allow for freedom of movement throughout the entire country and since Israel determines the property values, there is a question of fair compensation.
     
    #11 geeimsobored, Jun 25, 2007
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    Young Muslim fundamentalists have always exerted their will to commit suicide bombings in that area....nothing wrong with that. They are doing what they have to do. Its the environment that/conditions that exist in that part of the world that cause for these kinds of actions, whether right or wrong.

    :rolleyes:

    Somebody should throw you out of your house and destroy it and we will see what your dumbass says.

    Its these kind of actions that don't help the situation over there. ****ing idiots.
     
    #12 R0ckets03, Jun 25, 2007
  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    I'm sure the state of Israel can build them 18 new shacks.
     
    #13 StupidMoniker, Jun 25, 2007
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    Par for the course...
     
    #14 tigermission1, Jun 25, 2007
  15. Batman Jones

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    I thought you were a Christian, man. You don't care about the poor? It's a joke to you when their houses are razed?
     
    #15 Batman Jones, Jun 25, 2007
  16. Baqui99

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    Agreed. There's not a single person here who wouldn't get violent if someone threw them onto the street and bulldozed their house. How anyone can defend the Israelis on this is beyond me.
     
    #16 Baqui99, Jun 25, 2007
  17. ROXRAN

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    I can!

    (from your own article)

    Title: This is not the whole truth



    Haaretz doesn`t mention, that this village was illegal in the first place, and also, that each family was offered compensation of 100 000 NIS for each tin shack, as well as alternative and recognized housing in another place.

    This is what was reported on Galei-Tzahal.

    The tribe refused the offer. I believe, that Bedouine illegal construction, just as Jewish illegal construction, should be treated in a severe way. There`s no place for unrecognized villages or for unauthorized outposts in a country with the rule of law, specially, in a so small country with so tiny resources, as our country.
     
    #17 ROXRAN, Jun 25, 2007
  18. Baqui99

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    Just like the Cherokees were "illegally" on American soil. Sounds like good old fashioned apartheid to me.
     
    #18 Baqui99, Jun 25, 2007
  19. ROXRAN

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    The Cherokees were given 100,000 nis each + alternative housing? Sounds like a good deal to me... :)
     
    #19 ROXRAN, Jun 25, 2007
  20. insane man

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    conservatives supporting the eminent domain decision. heh.
     
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