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Israel and Syria finally acknowledge holding peace talks

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

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    I've always maintained that Israel's pragmatism is understated...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080521/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_syria

    Israel says it is holding peace talks with Syria

    Israel and Syria on Wednesday said they were holding indirect peace talks through Turkish mediators — the first official confirmation of contacts between the longtime enemies.

    In statements issued minutes apart, the two governments said they "have declared their intent to conduct these talks in good faith and with an open mind," with a goal of reaching "a comprehensive peace."

    Both nations thanked Turkey for its help, and Turkey issued its own confirmation. Muslim Turkey has good ties with both Israel and Syria.

    There have been reports in recent months of new Israeli-Syrian contacts through Turkey, and Turkey's foreign minister said earlier this month that his country was trying to bring the sides together. But this was the first official confirmation that contacts have resumed.

    An Israeli government official said Olmert's chief of staff and diplomatic adviser have been in Turkey since Monday. "In parallel their Syrian counterparts are in Turkey as well," the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the talks. He declined to discuss the substance of the talks.

    Israel and Syria are bitter enemies whose attempts at reaching peace have repeatedly failed, most recently in 2000. The nations have fought three wars, and their forces have also clashed in Lebanon.

    Peace with Syria would require Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights, a strategic plateau Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast war and later annexed. Today, the heights are home to 18,000 Israelis and roughly the same number of Druse Arabs who regard themselves as Syrian nationals. Syrian and Israeli forces are separated by U.N. peacekeepers.

    A committee representing Israeli settlers on the Golan said Olmert's move "put the State of Israel's survival at risk."

    "The people of Israel will not support such a deluded and irresponsible move, which would hand over such a vital Israeli strategic asset to the Arab axis of evil," the Golan Residents Council said.

    Israelis generally regard the Golan as an important buffer against Syrian attack.

    A Golan withdrawal would be extremely controversial among Israelis, and it could be difficult for a weakened leader like Olmert, whose already low popularity has been battered by a recent corruption investigation, to win public support for such a move. Peace talks with Syria also could divert attention from newly relaunched Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, which aim to reach an agreement by the end of the year.

    However, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas welcomed news of the Israel-Syria contacts. "We hope that the two sides will reach peace," he said.

    Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat also said the Palestinians welcomed the latest news. "We want to reach a comprehensive peace and therefore we support talks between Israel and Syria," he said.

    Israel, meanwhile, has demanded that Syria — which offers refuge to militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and supports the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah — distance itself from them, and from its Iranian ally, as a condition for talks. That condition appears to have been dropped.

    Last September, Israeli warplanes carried out an attack on Syria, targeting an installation that the U.S. has said was an unfinished nuclear reactor built by North Korea. And in February, a top Hezbollah commander was assassinated in the Syrian capital in an attack widely assumed to have been engineered by Israel.

    U.S.-mediated talks between the two countries broke down in 2000 because of disagreements over the extent of an Israeli withdrawal from the Golan. The main point of contention concerns a narrow strip of land along the Sea of Galilee, which Israel wants to keep to ensure its control of vital water supplies.

    The latest round of contacts began in February 2007, when Olmert visited Turkey, Olmert spokesman Mark Regev said.

    Stuart Tuttle, a spokesman for the U.S. embassy in Israel, said the U.S. was not directly involved in the talks.

    U.S. relations with Syria have been frosty for years because of Syria's meddling in Lebanon, support for militant groups in the Palestinian territories and Iraq and ties with Iran.

    The announcement comes as Olmert finds himself mired in yet another corruption probe — the fifth investigation into his conduct since he took office in 2006. His dismal approval ratings have sparked widespread speculation about his ability to clinch a deal with the Palestinians or even survive in office much longer.

    Opposition lawmakers charged the new announcement was designed to divert attention from Olmert's legal woes.

    "Evidently the prime minister is so corrupt that he is not only taking cash money in envelopes but he is ready to trade the Golan Heights and our most vital interests in an attempt to save himself from criminal investigation," said lawmaker Yuval Steinitz of the hardline Likud Party.

    Political scientist Efraim Inbar suggested the announcement might be linked to Olmert's current political woes and the apparent deadlock with the Palestinians.

    "He might be using it as a ploy to divert public attention from his troubles and perhaps bring forward elections," said Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies at Bar-Ilan University near Tel Aviv.

    "He has failed with the Palestinians and he might be romancing the Syrians to pressure the Palestinians to reach an agreement," he said.

    In Olmert's defense, Yoel Hasson of the prime minister's Kadima Party said he was only doing what other Israeli governments had done in the past. "As a prime minister, he should do what he can to try to achieve peace and to try to open the negotiations with Syria," Hasson said, adding that a final agreement should be subject to a national referendum.

    The Israeli government official who spoke with The Associated Press said the talks with Syria "will not be at the expense of the Palestinian track."
     
  2. plcmts17

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    Poor Lieberman, even Israel is going the diplomatic route. I guess shrub's speech really left quite an impression on the Knesset.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    No word on whether or not they did it to specifically humiliate basso or whether that was just a pleasant side effect?
     
  4. mc mark

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    So do we now refer to Israel as appeasers?
     
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    for this to happen a week later is golden
     
  6. Invisible Fan

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    Those flyovers and assassinations will still continue, but Israel usually has good reasons for them.

    Good times.
     
  7. mc mark

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    Dear Bush,

    http://home.arcor.de/chriz2/b****slap.jpg

    Love,

    Israel.
     
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    "Think of the irony," Riedel said. "George Bush goes to Jerusalem last week. He gives an impassioned speech about never dealing with nasty regimes [that sponsor terror]. He basically says 'don't make agreements that appease [them].' And less than a week later, the Israeli government announces it is engaged in peace negotiations with the Assad dictatorship in Syria. We're talking about a rather distasteful regime that likely had a hand in the murder of [former Lebanese Prime Minister] Rafik Hariri. I guess [Israeli Prime Minister] Ehud Olmert didn't think the speech was meant for him."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/former-nsc-official-israe_n_102945.html
     
  10. tigermission1

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    Believe me, the irony was not lost on me. Weird timing for the Israelis to come out and publicly acknowledge their plans to 'appease' the Syrians, and waive their pre-conditions for talks.

    I, for one, am surprised...
     
  11. plcmts17

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    Did someone block access to basso,t_j,texx and thumbs from posting in this thread? Just wondering.....
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    After living with war for almost their whole existence they understand the limits of the military solution.
     

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