Israel Admits No Hamas Rockets were Fired During Ceasefire

Very significant. I'm surprised this hasn't generated more discussion. I'm also surprised there isn't more about this on the US main stream media

 

yeah i wonder if any1 of the pro israel posters who claimed hamas was in the wrong to begin with will change there opinions

highly doubt it

 

The argument will be that Hamas was still digging tunnels, which posed a threat. Or that Hamas is responsible for any rockets launched during the ceasefire, even if they publicly said it should stop.

Of course, on the other side, the argument is that Israel broke the ceasefire agreement by failing to lift their blockade of Gaza.

 

I think there might need to be some more context to that clip. My understanding is that Israel hold Hamas responsible for any rockets fired whether by Hamas or not under the argument that Hamas is in charge of security in Gaza.

 

To blockade the Gaza but then tell Hamas they are responsible for security is ridiculous. If Israel agreed to life the blockade but didn't, they are the ones who are guilty of breaking the cease fire.

 

I'm not defending Israel just pointing out that even if Israelis acknowledge that Hamas fired no rockets during the ceasefire they still consider Hamas' inability to stop all rocket fire as a violation of the ceasefire. Israel has frequently held the Palestinian leadership whether it be PA or Hamas to responsible for the actions of individuals or groups.

 

Yes, I get it now. I agree completely and have nothing to add to this part of the discussion.

 

Where are the supporters of Israel at in this thread?

 

Which is absurd since Hamas has no control over other extremist factions like Islamic Jihad.

They didn't hold Hamas responsible for any of the rocket attacks in the
ceasefire, but hold them accountable for not preventing any either.

They turned criminal acts of individuals as violations of the ceasefire.

 

Everyone loves Israel and feels sorry for the Jews.

 

I actually think there is plenty about Israel to love, and to support. With the various terrorist attacks they've suffered, there is also a lot have sympathy for.

It's kind of the same deal with both sides, because they do wrong, doesn't mean they don't also suffer injustices, and tragedy.

 

How convenient that the attacks will end tonight, just when news that Hamas didn't break the ceasefire becomes public.

 

I have the hardest time with Israel. I disagree with the way the state came into being. Too late to change that, and I should just look at today. Unfortunately I don't like helping them through everything because we are politically motivated to do so.

 

Why do you assume that it's too late to change and you should just look at today?

 

Should be kept in mind that IDF attacked a tunnel that Gaza was building into an Israeli basis where they would only be 150m away. Now why would Hamas being doing that, hmmmmm?

After this Nov 4th infraction, in which Israel did attack the tunnel and killed one hamas soldier, Hamas retaliated with mortar attacks which led to an IDF airstrike killing 6 Hamas. Hamas then launched 30 rockets into Israel.

After that both sides decided not to escalate further and again when back to adhering to the ceasefire at least in terms of not firing at each other.

So really, I don't see this as an issue.


As for the Rockets attacks from Gaza during the ceasefire - it all depends on whether you believe a gov't of a state is responsable for attacks that are launched from that state. Is Hamas responsible for Islamic Jihad? That's a question.

But it should be noted that Israel didn't attack Hamas for the Rockets launched during the ceasefire.

 

This thread makes no sense.

1. None of our current roster was fired, released, or even placed on IR during the ceasefire.
2. No single player on the current roster has ties to Palestine or the Middle East broadly speaking, so it would be difficult to fathom that one is a member of Hamas.

 

I don't advocate now disbanding the state of Israel, kick them out, and invite the Palestinians back to their rightful homes. I don't agree with they way we annexed Hawaii either, but I think it would be a waste to fix it now. It just becomes unfair to the people that weren't guilty of anything. I can't blame those who moved to Israel or were born there post its creation, so I feel kicking them out would be wrong.