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Islamic USF player: Dispute over uniform led to dismissal

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  1. AMS

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    http://www.sptimes.com/2004/09/11/Hillsborough/Islamic_USF_player__D.shtml

    Islamic USF player: Dispute over uniform led to dismissal

    Andrea Armstrong says she was forced to quit. Not so, says USF, which has let her return.

    TAMPA - A University of South Florida women's basketball player who recently converted to Islam said she was forced to quit the team last week after a dispute over religious clothing.

    Andrea Armstrong, a co-captain on last year's team, said coach Jose Fernandez objected when she told him she wanted to wear long pants, long-sleeve shirts and a Muslim headscarf in games, to comply with Islamic codes that require that women's skin be covered.

    Armstrong said Fernandez told her the clothing would make teammates uncomfortable and also said Islam oppressed women. She also said he telephoned her parents in Oregon and told them she had joined a "cult."

    "I just want to play," said Armstrong, 22. "I've been doing this since third grade. This is my life."

    Fernandez declined comment, but USF officials offered a starkly different story, saying Armstrong left the team voluntarily and was under no pressure to do so.

    Nevertheless, they welcomed her back Friday and promised to help her get a waiver from the National Collegiate Athletic Association guidelines for her clothing needs.

    "She's been a valuable member of the team," said USF spokeswoman Michelle Carlyon.

    Carlyon said Armstrong told Fernandez on Aug. 30 that she was quitting to devote more time to religious pursuits, then changed her mind days later.

    Clothing was never an issue, Carlyon said.

    Last week, Armstrong turned for help to the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim support group. The group's Tampa office sent a letter to USF protesting "a case of apparent religious discrimination."

    This isn't the first time the USF women's basketball program has been accused of insensitivity. In December 2000, the school fired Jerry Ann Winters as coach after players accused her of racial discrimination.

    Fernandez was hired as her replacement.

    Armstrong joined the USF squad last year after transferring from Kansas State University, where she was not satisfied with her playing time. At USF last year, she started games early in the season but was assigned more of a supporting role down the stretch.

    Armstrong said she was raised Catholic, but began exploring other Christian churches in college. None moved her, she said.

    At USF, she began asking questions of Muslim students and visited a nearby mosque. In June, she recited the shahadah, or Islamic creed, to officially declare herself a convert.

    "It's pure to me ... it's just beautiful," said Armstrong, a senior from Lakeside, Ore. "Each day, I look forward to learning more and growing."

    Days after her conversion, Armstrong attended a team meeting wearing long clothes and a hijab, the traditional headscarf for Muslim women.

    Afterward, she said, Fernandez took her aside and told her the clothing was unacceptable. Eventually, she said, they agreed she could wear the clothing for travel, but not for games or practices.

    Over the summer, Armstrong decided she was compromising her faith and said she told Fernandez so when she returned to USF in August. The issue came to a head Aug. 30, when Armstrong showed up for team photos fully covered.

    At the coach's direction, she said she emptied her locker and returned her textbooks.

    When she went to pick up her scholarship check, USF officials told her she couldn't have it until Fernandez said it was okay, she said.

    Other members of the USF women's team said Armstrong's conversion is not an issue.

    "We're not going to judge her by that," said sophomore Rachel Sheats. "She's a wonderful person. ... You can't help but care about her and her feelings."

    It's unclear whether Armstrong's wishes will mesh with NCAA uniform guidelines. Exemptions sometimes are granted on religious grounds, including one recently for a Muslim volleyball player who wanted to wear long pants during games.

    There are other examples where sports and religion intersected without clashing.

    At Towson University in Maryland a few years ago, star player Tamir Goodman, an Orthodox Jew, wore a yarmulke skullcap on the court and did not play games during the Jewish Sabbath.

    During the Olympics, several female athletes wore headscarfs.

    Armstrong said she didn't think the extra clothing would distract other players, or hamper her abilities on the court.

    "It's not affecting anybody," she said. "I'm just me."s
     
  2. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Hey, I get to see a D&D thread before it's moved! Woohoo.
     
  3. AMS

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    Nothing to debate, just saying that look, just like the olympics its great that we have adjusted to suit the needs of other faiths.
     
  4. DonnyMost

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    Man, that would be hot to play in.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Wrong forum.

    Oh, and about the "tolerance" of an Islamic regime:

    HASHEMIAN MISSES ISRAELI CLASH

    Bayern Munich have announced that Iranian striker Vahid Hashemian will not travel to Israel for their Champions League clash at Maccabi Tel Aviv on Wednesday.

    The Bundesliga club say the forward has withdrawn from the squad because of a back injury.

    A Bayern spokesman told the BBC: "He's got back pain and he couldn't train. It would have made no sense for him to go."

    The Iranian Football Association had contacted the player earlier on Monday to remind him that it is illegal under the law of his home country for an Iranian sportsman to set foot in Israel.

    At the Olympics last month, the judo competition was thrown into confusion when Iranian world champion Arash Mir-Esmaeili was drawn to face Israeli Ehud Vaks in the first round.

    He avoided punishment by weighing in over the 66kg limit in his class, thereby being unable to compete.

    However a statement from the Iranian Olympic Committee at the time indicated that Mir-Esmaeili had conveniently put on weight.

    They said: "It is Iranian policy to avoid competition with athletes from the Zionist entity. Mir-Esmaeili acted according to that policy."



    http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...09/13/SOCCER_Ger-Bayern_Munich_Hashemian.html

    :rolleyes:
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    I think they should all be forced to play in standard beach-volleyball attire...
     
  7. VooDooPope

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    I think my god wants me to wear shorts and sandals to work everyday and I'm going to sue my boss if he fires me.
     
  8. Austin70

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    Looking at Patrick Ewing, he was the first I remember to wear that gray t-shirt under his uniform, maybe she should do it like that.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    If she wants to play she has to comply with the team uniform.

    It is her choice that she has to wear the clothes, the school should not make an exception.

    I hope she enjoys giving up something she loves for her religion.

    Her choice.

    DD
     
  10. MadMax

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    DD -- the school is asking the NCAA for the exception. we'll see what the NCAA says. but it's the school's call to say, "ok...we'll see what the NCAA says..but otherwise, we're fine with it." they're the ones who suffer if her performance falls because of her clothes.
     
  11. Hippieloser

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    Can't she just wear tights and a do-rag or something?
     
  12. R0ckets03

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    I'm a Muslim and I think its pretty stupid what she is demanding. She should choose one or the other. If she likes basketball then play with some freakin shorts. If her religion is just too valuable then something like basketball should not be that hard to give up. Some people in the world want every freakin thing their way.
     
  13. rimbaud

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    She has been a muslim for three months. The tells a different story. She just wants attention.
     
  14. AMS

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    I guess you dont see the power of islam at work... Why in living hell would anyone want to wear a headscarf all day long, and give up their fav. sport other than the fact that they are doing it for god.
     
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    Because they might just be freaking attention-whoring idiots.

    If I didn't know you meant your post seriously, I could not imagine it.
     
  16. HayesStreet

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    Why does God want women to wear headgear again?
     
  17. Mori

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    What does God need with a starship?
     
  18. HayesStreet

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    Why does God hate womens basketball?
     
  19. Mori

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    Because he does whatever a deity can?
     
  20. rimbaud

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    Oops, my original post was supposed to say the coach tells a different story.

    This little girl makes a big religious change over the summer, comes back to school and demands she be appeased, first thing back. The coach then either says no or says she needs to look into it, the little girl gets upset and tells news stations. School has been back in session, what, a few weeks. When does basketball season begin?

    She is just immature and impatient.

    PS - beacuse of his post in this thread, I wonder...did RM95 get banned from this forum?
     
    #20 rimbaud, Sep 14, 2004
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