http://www.israelnews.org/article.php3?id=563 Islam, Peace and an Irish King Dr. Steven Plaut 08 October 2001 Since the jihad against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, US officials and civic leaders have been wringing their hands over the "racist stereotyping" of Moslems, over assaults on Moslems in US cities, and insisting over and over that the "vast majority of Moslems" oppose terrorism and violence, that Islam is the religion of peace. Even the assimilationist liberals among US Jews have been spending more time on denouncing the "stereotyping of Moslems" and protecting Arab civil rights than on anything else. Now let us be clear. Yes, the word "Islam" comes from Salaam or peace. Yes, there are some Moslems who have consistently opposed violence and terror, although they are a small minority. The vast majority of Moslems have condoned and endorsed terrorist violence, especially when directed against Jewish children and civilians. Yes, for centuries Islamic civilization was the most advanced and most tolerant and most enlightened on the planet. Islamic civilization preserved the ancient Classical Greek and Roman learning, invented algebra and chemistry, led the world of scholarship. The great tragedy of Islam is that this brilliant civilization of the seventh through fifteenth centuries has long ago degenerated into savage barbarism, where violence is commonly worshipped. Where - aside from Turkey - no Moslem country has embraced democracy or freedom or tolerance or diversity. One of the unchallenged axioms of American civic religion is that each and every group of people on earth must consist of an "overwhelmingly vast majority of decent hard-working honest people who want peace and are tolerant and freedom-loving and anti-violence." It is an unchallengeable presumption of this theology that "vast majorities" of not only each and every racial/religious/ethnic group may be so described, but even vast majorities of each and any subgroup within society. Hence we even sometimes hear assertions that the vast majority of prisoners, prostitutes, drug users, gang members, etc. are also decent, honest, peace-loving, honorable people. The one imponderable in American civic theology is the idea that somewhere out there someplace there just might be a group of people, the majority of whom are NOT peace-loving or honest or tolerant. This belief in universal peacefulness in the minds of Americans is the main obstacle to Americans ever understanding the Middle East. The simple fact of the matter is that the overwhelmingly vast majority of Arabs, and the overwhelmingly vast majority of Moslems, are not peace-loving and are not opposed to violence. Noting this could not be more timely. Commentator after commentator among the Western media discuss the reactions in the Moslem world to the atrocities in the US with the self-righteous, fawning observation that Islam is a religion of peace, that the terrorists are about as representative of true Islam as the IRA bombers are of Catholicism or as white supremacists are of Christianity. Each commentator goes out of his way to emphasize how we all understand that the vast majority of Moslems oppose terrorism and violence. The only problem with this is that it is simply false and empirically disprovable. It is wishful thinking. The vast majority of Germans supported Hitler, supported wars of aggression, and supported genocide. The vast majorities of Hutus and Tutsis support massacres of the other. Similarly, the vast majority of Arabs support terror and violence and war. They do not see anything wrong with the blowing up of hundreds of civilians in an Embassy of the United States or in an office building of Argentinean Jews. They see any act of force taken against the perpetrators of such things to be itself a crime (this is not to say that the vast majority of each and every subgroup of Moslems support such barbarism; the Turks and Indonesian-Malays come to mind as possible exceptions). True, Islam is a religion of peace and its very name derives from salaam - peace. However, it is a religion of peace with other Moslems and for non-Moslems living under the clear domination of Moslems. True also, the vast majority of Moslems do not personally engage in violence and terror in their daily lives. The vast majority of Germans did not take personal part in the Holocaust. Indeed, as a blanket statement regarding Arabs in Israel, I would say that most Arabs exhibit on average far better manners and more consideration than do Jewish Israelis. Of course that is hardly the point. The vast majority of Moslems support the random and indiscriminate use of terror and violence against Jews and against Americans. The reactions of Moslems everywhere are there on the TV screens for all to see and will be more unambiguously pro-terror the moment the US begins to attack Afghanistan and/or Iraq. Arab political thought is fundamentally Orwellian: murder is peace, prevention of murder or retaliation for murder is terror. Moslems were outraged by events in the Balkans because Moslems are being massacred, but if Bosnians and Albanians were instead massacring Serbs, they would have trouble hiding their approval and delight. We have also known for decades that the vast majority of Moslems also approve of Palestinian atrocities and bombings directly against Jews. There is no act of savagery directed against Israelis or Jews of which they will not approve by enormous majorities and no act of defense by Israel that they will legitimize. Public opinion polls are not conducted in most Moslem countries, but if they were they would no doubt reflect this popular approval. Polls ARE conducted among Palestinians and they show without exception that Palestinians approve of bombings and suicide bombs and atrocities committed against Jews, by enormous majorities. Their approval rates have generally increased with each Israeli concession to them under Oslo. The vast majority of Palestinians support Saddam Hussein. The vast majority probably support Bin Laden and the bombings of the Americans. There have been massive anti-American marches by the Palestinian brownshirts and US flags have been burned throughout the Palestinian zones. The vast majority would probably approve if Iran or Iraq dumped chemical weapons or nerve gas on Tel Aviv. These are the people with whom Oslo is supposed to produce peace. Oh, you might object, but Arafat has denounced bin Laden and even endorsed the US bombings in Sudan and Afghanistan. Well, yes he did, no doubt hoping thus to get the US to force Israel to make a few more concessions as quid pro quo and he was no doubt as sincere as were the IRA folks who denounced the bombing of Omagh. The Palestinian fascist hordes, taking their signals from the PLO, know he is posturing and winking and these folks support bin Laden by overwhelming majorities. Now the entire Oslo "peace process" is based on the naive American civic dogma, adopted by Israeli politicians, holding that the vast majority of Palestinians want peace with Israel. They do not. Unless of course one means the sort of peace that prevailed and prevails in traditional Islamic societies, where the non-Moslems live as low-profile minorities with no political sovereignty (the vast majority of Germans, one supposes, would have favored peace in 1940 if they could have gotten it on Hitler´s terms). The vast majority of Palestinians want to see Israel destroyed and support all violence against Jews. Once Israel is destroyed and large portions of its population are killed or dispersed, no doubt the remainder will be permitted to live under conditions resembling those of the Copts in Egypt or the Armenians and Bahais in Iran. That is the only peace Arabs want. Sweeney was the name of an Irish king who believed he was a bird and spent his life in treetops. The Oslo "peace process" is the direct function of the Sweeneyization of the political establishment of Israel. Peres Sweeney and Beilin Sweeney adopted the wishful thinking of American civic religion, presumed that the vast majority of Palestinians prefer peace and prosperity to continuing war and violence. They took it as axiomatic that Palestinians would compromise over land and sovereignty because, after all, they were willing to do so. Their evidence that Palestinians would place peace above land is that Jews do so. Their belief that economic prosperity would interest Palestinians more than irredentist aggression and terror is that decent honorable people anywhere should feel this way. In short, Oslo is the godchild of King Sweeney taking over the Israeli Labor Party, Meretz and even swaths of the Likud. These Sweeneyites are the same people who refuse to even ponder the possibility that the vast majorities of Palestinians, other Arabs and Moslems are not at all peace-seeking (at least not when it comes to Israel and the US), are not anti-violence, are not anti-terror. In other words, Oslo is based upon a fundamental denial of empirical reality. Like the old Peter and Gordon song from the 60´s, "I don´t care what they say I won´t stay in a world without love." What happens to Sweeneys who live in unlit corners of the earth without love? They pretend to be birds and rise above such mundane things as reality to live in treetops of utopian dreams. Leaving the rest of us to face terror, murder, violence, Arab fascism and threats of genocidal extermination. ------------ Dr. Steven Plaut teaches at the Graduate School of Business, University of Haifa, Israel.
Makes alot of sense. Explains why we're seeing mass anti-US protests all over the muslim world, and why muslim groups around the world are threatening to kill Americans, among other things...
You've got to admit, Jeff, that MrSpur has done an excellent job of continuously enlightening us with these articles. I personally think he's on to something, although I'm not sure that the majority he's talking about is quite as large as he makes it out to be. I think that a good number of American muslims are probably fairly peaceful... But then I think about Quanel X, or whatever his name is, and I just don't know.
Really? You mean they're not real muslims? Hmm, they sure seem to think that they are. This is news to me, O Chooser of Real Muslims...
no i mean what i said. everyone knowledgable in the basic fundamentals of islam would attest that the nation is not 'islamic'.
I guess tha fact that the crusades were designed for "moors" and "savages" across the middle east to be converted or die, that Hitler wanted to "purify" Germany from Jews for the white, Arian, Christian race or that Timothy McVeigh believed he was doing God's work is proof that all white Christians are racists and want heathens to die. Hell, Falwell blamed it on our sinfulness just like bin Laden did! Don't all white Christians want the US purged of minorities so they can install a Christian state? My grandfather, a staunchly right-wing Christian, stood up at an anniversary party the family had for he and my grandmother and said that the bombing of the WTC was the fault of gays and those who had abortions because we are a sinful nation. Apparently, bin Laden is indirectly doing the work of God. Look, I can find article after article describing how the Jews are evil and the holocaust never happened. I can dig up plenty of information on the perfection of the white race and how the Bible believes slavery is ok. That doesn't make Christianity a race of violent, genocidal maniacs. It is the nature of propoganda and MrSpur's posts, no matter how seemingly scholarly, are NOT enlightening, empowering or balanced. It is just more propoganda.
<B>Dr. Steven Plaut teaches at the Graduate School of Business, University of Haifa, Israel</B> Excellent, unbiased source too.
Boy, MrSpur keeps finding these articles, doesn't he. He is so good, it makes you sorta wonder what his job is, if he has a job.
One further point, when has enlightenment or education EVER been about rhetoric and propoganda? If you REALLY want to learn about Islam, instead of reading about it from the perspective of someone who despises it or someone one who believes it, why not trying reading what theologians have to say? I wouldn't want to learn about Christianity from those who hate it or from those who are deeply entrenched in it. Neither would be un-biased enough for me to gain a rational understanding of it. One of the most significant problems we have in America is our unwillingness to learn the truth about things and instead blindly follow anything that resonates in our psyche for more than 10 seconds. Learning requires growth and sometimes looking at things that don't feel comfortable. As a wise man once said, "Education is designed to replace and empty mind with an open one."
Jeff, Are you going to deny that there is a large base of anti-US / anti-Christian support in the Arabic muslim states? That is undeniable, unless you live in that dreamworld where people of all races and religions all get along. I am not going to make excuses for atrocities that took place 600-800 years ago. That is pretty pointless. Christians have, as a group, grown up. They don't launch too many crusades any more, although there are some who would like to. They are just as crazy as the people I'd like to see dead right now. At any rate, the last Crusade ended nearly 600 years ago. The most recent Jihad started two days ago (actually 10 years ago). Which do you think is more relevant now? I am not a Christian, and I couldn't care less what religion anyone else subscribes to. But when a large segment within another religious population clearly wants to kill me because I am an American, I get a little disturbed. If you aren't disturbed by it, then you think that the 911 attacks were just a fluke, and you are deluding yourself. There is a reason why burning the American flag has become a national pastime in many islamic countries. And it really has nothing to do with our foreign policy. And for once, would someone please explain to me the logic of the notion of Arabic/Persian muslim innocence and persecution in the past 30 years? Every time anyone brings up the possibility that they have been acting like violent animals, they are immediately shouted down (no real explanation given) and the attack is turned against America... I get tired of the other propaganda machine sometimes, especially since it has never once offered any real logical explanations.
Also Jeff, I really don't have anything against Islam, not that I'm an expert. I've read the "warlike" statements made in the Koran, and considering the context they're not at all any more warlike than anything in the Bible. Did I mention I wasn't a Christian? But when the teachers are telling people that they must go to war (against me, particularly), then I see a problem. Islam does not offend me, but it's twisted interpretation does.
to enlighten you treeman lets just go simple facts about the muslims. a) only about 15-20% of muslims are arabs b) india has more muslims then pakistan or bengladesh (or at least around the same) c) the biggest muslim country is not saudi, pakistan or egypt but indonesia e) in iran womens literacy rate is around 75% (which is amazing given that 30 years ago it was more like 40%) f) over 44% of muslims in america are african american g) at least 15% of the slaves brought to america were muslims and there have been some studies that have said 1 out of 3..though i find that hard to believe just wanted to let you know some facts so before you attack just arabs for their 'islamic fundamentalism' there are various other races you can attack for the same thing. oh yeah i forgot i know numerous 'white' muslims too. and read some books by paul findley if you want to learn about muslims and american foreign policy.
from http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/notislam/ From http://collegian.ksu.edu/ISSUES/v100/SP/n105/opinion.of.scott.html I can find more if you want it.
boy, None of those facts surprises me; I'm actually familiar with most of them. You can dispute the demographics if you want. I don't argue against them. But I still want you to show me a poll or something that says the majority of Arabic muslims in the ME do not hate the West. Don't they do polls over there? Isn't that a question they might ask? Well, I guess not since there's no free press... Hell, you yourself have shown your hatred for the West in other threads. Well, maybe 'hatred' is too strong a word for what you've shown... would 'disdain' be less offensive to your sensitivies? I'm beginning to think that mere disdain is the best we can hope for.
I wasn't there. The story was related to me by my father. Sadly, I have a very difficult time being around my father's side of the family now. They make it very difficult to be around them because they think I'm nuts for my beliefs. In fact, they are slowly beginning to stop inviting me to family gatherings including the one I mentioned. Honestly, I think they consider me as much a nuissance as I consider them difficult. It's really kinda unfortunate, but it is what it is. treeman, All I'm saying is that propoganda is propoganda. Whether you believe in a religion, a philosophy, an ideology or something else, there are always two sides to that story. I think that you are beginning from the assumption that Islamic people hate us and that is a bias that lends itself to articles like the one in this thread. If you believed that Islamic people were mostly peaceful, I would assume you would find the article less appealing. Our experiences for the basis for how we tend to view the things we read. This is no different.