Well looks like he's still up for taking on more ridiculous contracts. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/389849p-330741c.html
Isiah did get over on the Rockets on the Mo Taylor trade. He has a servicable player, while we have Moochie and Vin Baker's contract
LOL, if you call that getting over on someone...You could probably be Isiah's top assistant. Ask the Rockets today and they'd still do that deal.
Right...except Vin Baker and Moochie's contracts come off the books this season. With Taylor's $9.75 million next year, we wouldn't have been able to give Yao his money without going into luxury tax territory. Talent/serviceability had absolutely nothing to do with that trade.
Per Sir Charles "Ask the Rockets today and they'd still do that deal." Maybe, but we got nothing for him at all. Nothing. We could have gotten PJ Brown and given up Mo with a pick. PJ is having a solid season now. I do not care about Mo Taylor, but it seemed out of spite that Gundy did not play him at all-he could score you know-and he did have Yao's back. Remember - We are still paying Baker's contract and Moochie's contract money while wasting a roster spot on Moochie. The money we have paid on Baker's & Moochie's contracts would have helped pay 1 1/2seasons of Yao max money. I still think Isiah is an idiot with a pen and authority to do deals with Cable Vision money, but Van Gundy does not shine on this one. The Rockets took junk for a servicable player. I dread seein what we end up with trading expiring contracts like Wesley, Moochie, etc. We will end up with more garbage.... __________________
Per Kyrodis "Talent/serviceability had absolutely nothing to do with that trade." Please enlighten me how the Rockets benefit. Just by getting rid of Taylor's contract? That is not a great benefit if you compare how Mo could have contributed. Help me understand how having Moochie occupy a roster sport, with $ spent on Baker and Moochie contracts is of greater benefit than getting a better deal for Taylor, or just keeping him in the rotation. I am not convinced Taylor is that much worse than Juwan. Recall that every dollar spent on Moochie Norris and Baker we get no benefit from. Money thrown away. Hell the argument could be made that the Rockets would be better off above the cap and in lux tax land than wasting money on Moochie and Baker. I am convinced PJ Brown would be a better 4 than anyone we have now...
i think it was all about getting rid of bad contracts as soon as possible. the last 5 years or so for the rockets we have been giving bad luck contracts out pretty often. Matt Maloney, Kelvin Cato (that was one awesome preseason game, blocks and all) moochie norris and im sure there is more. so im thinking they were just trying to make better decisions and get everyone out from contracts as soon as possible and get players that they really want around yao and tmac.
I agree - it would be great to have a clean slate with no bad contracts and room to build around Tracy and Yao. I guess that is what Van Gundy was trying to do. I understand that to get rid of a truly bad contract like Mo Taylor's, we had to take some short term garbage back.... Now if could be rid of Juwan's contract lasting 3+ more seasons
I don't know the specifics, but the luxury tax threshold is around 60 million. For every dollar you're over the threshold, Les has to pay a dollar of luxury tax. If we had kept Mo Taylor, the Rockets' player payroll next season would be $66 million....with only 11 players on the team. Add a 1st rounder or a free agent with the MLE, and we're looking at a payroll close to (or above) $70 million. Now, let's assume we're allowed to have only 11 players. Les is still 6 million over the threshold meaning he has to pay $6 milllion in tax. Essentially, he's paying $16 million next year just so Taylor can play. Is Taylor worth $16 million next season? Moreover, Les would have to pay actually have to pay more than that because of our first rounder or from an MLE free agent signing. Add all of this to the fact that we already have a redundant version of Taylor in Juwan Howard, and I'm sure you can see the logic of the trade.
You're making out like we: 1. Don't have serviceable, arguably BETTER, than Mo Taylor 2. Need Mo's offense when we have Howard and co. 3. Need PJ Brown and that he is worth Mo Taylor AND a number one pick 4. got the shaft and Isiah pulled off the trade of the century
TBar, you are entitled to your opinion, but most of us have zero regrets about getting rid of Motay. Who cares if we got nothing for him. Paying him another $10MM next year would stink. Oh that's right, we could really use his 6 pts, 3 rebs on a daily basis.
Per Steddintayto: You're making out like we: 1. Don't have serviceable, arguably BETTER, than Mo Taylor 2. Need Mo's offense when we have Howard and co. 3. Need PJ Brown and that he is worth Mo Taylor AND a number one pick 4. got the shaft and Isiah pulled off the trade of the century No 1 - I do not think Howard is much better than Taylor. I'm not excited about Taylor either at 9 mill+ per season. No 2) Yes - I do think Taylkor was a streaky, but better scorer than Howard No 3 ) We need a 4 and I think PJ is better by far than anyone we have. Yes - he would be worth MO Taylor and #1-which would have been Head or another unknown player No4)- No I do not think Isiah has pulled off the trade of the century-but he got a servicable player while we ended up with garbage
Per Kyrodis: "I don't know the specifics, but the luxury tax threshold is around 60 million. For every dollar you're over the threshold, Les has to pay a dollar of luxury tax. If we had kept Mo Taylor, the Rockets' player payroll next season would be $66 million....with only 11 players on the team. Add a 1st rounder or a free agent with the MLE, and we're looking at a payroll close to (or above) $70 million. Now, let's assume we're allowed to have only 11 players. Les is still 6 million over the threshold meaning he has to pay $6 milllion in tax. Essentially, he's paying $16 million next year just so Taylor can play. Is Taylor worth $16 million next season? Moreover, Les would have to pay actually have to pay more than that because of our first rounder or from an MLE free agent signing. Add all of this to the fact that we already have a redundant version of Taylor in Juwan Howard, and I'm sure you can see the logic of the trade." No In no way is Taylor even worth his contract much less 16 mil. By your argument if we were at 70 mil on total contracts, with 10 mil over the threshold, adding Mo Taylor's contract at 10 mil would mean TAylor would cost 20 mil. No -Taylor is not worth the 6 mil we are obliged to pay Howard for 3 years +
Per Apostolic 3 "most of us have zero regrets about getting rid of Motay. Who cares if we got nothing for him. Paying him another $10MM next year would stink. Oh that's right, we could really use his 6 pts, 3 rebs on a daily basis." You are right-I never think about Taylor- I do not care if we got nothing for him - and I'm glad he and his contract are gone. I think he was streaky vand I recall games where he could score 18 and make a difference. I also recall him protecting Yao and getting physical doing it. He is no worse than any 4 we have now. I am glad he is gone I wish we still had Othella. __________________
