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is this whole thing (unis, coaches, etc.) an orchestrated plan?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Jun 2, 2003.

  1. verse

    verse Member

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    i've been observing this whole coaching carousel just like you guys. i watched as the rockets' brass has been very passe about the hiring process. and i watched as larry brown, then paul silas got new jobs. today, i hear that rick carlisle will not even be interviewed by the rockets....

    ...then a thought occured to me...

    if the rockets really wanted to hire one of the two "remaining candidates" - jeff van gundy or mike dunleavy - wouldn't they have done it already? the organization isn't stupid enough (i hope) to believe that the unemployed coaches will just sit back and wait for the houston rockets to offer them a job. they know that these quality coaches are pursuing other jobs and might take them.

    after much consideration, i came to this conclusion: the rockets already know who they want, but the timing (read: availability) is not right.

    that person could very well be don nelson or his son donnie nelson. why else has CD said that we're in no rush to hire anyone, and that we may not even have a coach by the nba draft? well, because nelson won't be immediately available. nelson's already made it known that he wanted a contract extension in dallas, and not to be moved up into the front office. cuban, however, wants to move him up. look for this to end in a divorce.

    another factor into the equation: THE UNIFORMS.

    why haven't the unis been unveiled yet? maybe it's because the unis will be unveiled at the same time the new coach is named...you know, the whole "ushering in a new era" thingy. it would make perfect sense.

    tim (VP of marketing) has gone on record saying it will be less than three months before the unis are unveiled. and jeff (cc.net crew) has gone on record saying that the unveiling will be "an event". what better event than by coinciding it with the new coach?

    new coach, new era, new arena, new uniforms, new attitude, right?

    as for the whole larry brown fiasco, i think it was all a smokescreen. if any of you remember, there was a thread towards the end of the season talking about the coaching future of the rockets. in that thread, Clutch posted:

    "Larry will be coaching the Rockets next year"

    another poster said (paraphrasing) "Larry Smith coaching? NOOOO!"

    Clutch responded (and i quote this from memory):

    "I never said Smith".

    now, that implies that the negotiations for LBrown would have been going on during the season...during his tenure with philadelphia and rudy's tenure with the rockets. tampering? oh, hell yes. i tend to believe the rockets floated some overtures that direction, but did not make any concrete offers...just testing the larry brown waters so see if they're lukewarm. but around that same time, don nelson started voicing his displeasure about his contract.

    now why would nelson raise this issue - again - at this time of year? maybe to lay the groundwork for his eventual departure. it's tacky, but plausible. either way, nelson is quite the logical fit for the rockets.

    what's the rockets' target market right now, guys? GLOBAL. INTERNATIONAL.
    who is the "don" of international relations right now in the nba? DON NELSON.
    who has arguably the most "entertaining" offense in the nba right now? DON NELSON

    would that not line les' pockets? oh hell yes. why? because fans will show up for an entertaining team. and the international ties of don nelson bodes well both on the court (euro style offense) for the rockets and off the court (drafting).

    don, the unis, the arena, the whole thing...it's all one orchestrated plan....
     
  2. A-Train

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    I don't care how good the new uniforms look, If Don Nelson comes out wearing a pair of shorts and a tanktop, I'm becoming a Spurs fan...
     
  3. hikanoo49

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    I hope your right. Otherwise, our management SUCKS!!!!!!!
     
  4. Jebus

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    Go ahead and think that, if it makes you feel better...
     
  5. Deuce Rings

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    Quit teasing us.
     
  6. CrazyJoeDavola

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    It was Professor Plum, in the library with a candlestick holder ...................... ;)
     
  7. rvpals

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    I hate to say this, but whatever you're speculating is just plain wishful thinking. The GM & owner is not as smart and as competent as they should be.

    Rox has absolutely no chance of signing old Nelson. More realistic would be getting Nelson Junior.
     
  8. CriscoKidd

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    yes, leslie and cd work in mysterious ways ...

    and don't throw glass stones in houses.


    I can only hope they are holding out for someone better.
     
  9. JoeBarelyCares

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    Smacks of a conspiracy to me.
     
  10. pasox2

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    Do you want the red pill or the blue pill?
     
  11. bigboymumu

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    That is a stretch!
     
  12. TheFreak

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    Those Don Nelson Knicks sure were fun to watch...
     
  13. SLA

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    Nice wishful creative thinking.

    But STOP TEASING US!

    Don Nelson signs with Houston!

    Then Les makes a trade to get Elton Brand!

    And Moochie Norris is waived!

    Wow..that would be a great series of events.

    I wish.

    It is not a plan.

    It was just ironic or coincedental.

    :)
     
  14. Toast

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    I like a conspiracy as much as the next guy. BUT ...

    One of our two top candidates technically is under contract, and the other's best bet doesn't even really have an owner, so they can't hire a coach! There's no necessary benefit for the Rockets organization to hire right away, especially because we have the most attractive coaching opening available (CURRENTLY) out there. Now Cleveland, I can understand why they'd swoop in quickly to claim Silas. And other teams might swoop in & try to sign our two top candidates. But if activity around the league really picked up, that might be the only reason for us to act right away.
     
  15. ima_drummer2k

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    Nellie's Dallas system required players who can shoot the ball. Not sure if it would work here....
     
  16. HoRockets

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    Well then maybe being a head coach, he'll work for trades for players that can shoot the rock. Isn't that all part of the job?
     
  17. verse

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    i have no problem admitting that it is "outside of the box". but i don't think it's as improbable as you guys do.

    why is it so implausible that the rockets already have their guy, and that he just hasn't be released/resigned, yet?

    does anyone get the feeling that we seriously and STRONGLY persued larry brown? was there a counteroffer made after detroit's offer? i'm not saying we didn't want brown. good lord, brown is one of the top 3 coaches in the biz. but, there is always a plan "b".

    the alternative is that our front office is full of incompetent fools who put all their eggs in one brown basket. incompetent fools who don't even consider interviewing last year's COTY. incompetent fools who get riddy of rudy to bring in JVG or dunleavy (lateral moves with no offcourt plusses).

    i've done my share of b****ing about the rockets, including b****ing about contracts to moochie norris and kelvin cato. but those moves, though ridiculous in hindsight, were actually based on some reasoning. to have no plan whatsoever for head coach, to have no hierachical list of candidates (1 through 5) would be utilizing absolutely zero logic. that would be beyond clipperesque or knickesque. that would be incomprehensible. i'm sorry, but this organization has not proven to me that they are that inept. at least not yet...


    as for Don v Donnie, it could be either one. same difference.
    isn't that an oxymoron? we're not morons.


    i am very interested in what Clutch, Jeff, DocRocket, et al think about this....
     
  18. Gummi Clutch

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    i guess one benifit would be not having to scrape the bottom of the barrel since the MAJORITY of teams looking for coaches DO need to hire coaches right away?!?!?
     
  19. verse

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    lol!

    they were terrible.


    but what's your point? that the player personnel dictates the entertainment value? if so, i don't disagree. but the general public will disagree. and it's the general public that'll be buying the tickets and lining les' pockets...
     
  20. munco

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    Those of us in NY remember the Knicks under Nelson. Horrrrible to watch. He's not a bad coach by any means, but he really needs the right type of guys (usually run and gun - see Dallas now and Golden State when he coached them). Nelson is probably in the top active 10 coaches, but he's no Larry Brown and I think most would prefer Van Gundy.
     

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