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is this team really built around Yao? think about it

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Charvo, Dec 5, 2004.

  1. Charvo

    Charvo Member

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    Just look at the game tonight to see why. With the Sixers fronted Yao and flooding the paint, the Rockets are getting ton of open 3 pointers. TMac doesn't have a consistent long-range shot. Sura hadn't made a 3 pointer yet as a Rocket except for his 1 made tonight. Gaines has missed every 3 attempt as a Rocket.

    Before anyone who reads argues that TMac came here because the Rockets wanted to build around Yao, think about it for a second. What kind of player is TMac? What kind of player is Steve Francis? They are both the same kind of player. They score primarily with the dribble drive. They go to long-range shot as the secondary scoring option. When Cuttino was traded, the Rockets lost one of their best 3 point shooters. They then lost Charlie Ward who was supposed to be a good 3 point shooter before he came to Houston.

    I posted last year probably a thousand times: TRADE FOR RAY ALLEN AND BRENT BARRY. Think about what Ray Allen and Brent Barry would do with all these 3 point attempts. This team is more suited to an uptempo game due to the lack of 3 point shooting threats. Why do you think JVG told Mo to try to expand his range to the 3 point arc? If Yao is to survive and prosper in the low post, he's gotta have absolute killers on the perimeter to prevent defenses from playing the kind of defense that the Sixers used tonight. Yao cannot just have very good perimeter shooters like Hakeem had with Kenny and Horry. Yao must have GREAT perimeter shooters.

    Because of this inability to make an open 3 point shot, the Rockets are forced into an uptempo game which therefore makes Yao purely a roleplayer.

    I think it's just evident that the Rockets are basically trying to force a half-court offense through Yao at times, but the perimeter shooters are not there to effectively execute it.

    I think the gameplan really all went to hell when Charlie Ward was not as good from behind the arc as he was in the past. Lue is injured, and he wasn't that great too.

    Look at the Heat. They got Damon Jones (shooting 43% from 3 point land now) and Wesley Persons for the primary purpose of shooting the 3 ball. That's how a team builds around a big man. This is why I think the Rockets did not build around Yao. Getting TMac did not improve this team's perimeter shooting. It obviously worsened it.

    Look at the Rockets. The defenses front Yao. They cheat a defender over on the weakside to protect against the lob. A few quick passes around the perimeter usually produces an open 3 point shot. Rockets do not capitalize in the half-court with all these open 3 point shots. Therefore, Yao appears to bog down the offense because noone can hit an open 3. When Yao goes out of the game, the offense goes through TMac which is obviously going to be more uptempo due his skills. However, the team scores more because everyone else on the team is more of an uptempo player except for Ward. There is noone on the Rockets who would rather score just sitting behind the 3 point line lobbing 3s. Everyone is more adept at the uptempo game. In other words, this team is not built around Yao at all. Yao knows it after seeing his teammates brick 3 after 3. Yao knows that it is actually him as a player who does not fit in the offense. Yao knows he is actually hurting the team's chances of winning.

    Has noone watched the Nets? Kidd and Jefferson can't hit a jumper to save themselves. That's why they run and run and run.

    You want to see a team that has a perfect half-court offense. Look at the Kings. They have Bibby and Peja around Webber. Brad Miller is one of the best catch and shoot big men in the league. Bobby Jackson is also pretty damn good at the 3 pointer too. That offense can succeed in the half-court.

    It's a joke to think this team is built around Yao. This team built around TMac more than it is built around Yao.
     
  2. blazer_ben

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    I do think it's a team Oriented around yao. hoewver i also think whilst it might be Yao Oriented, they are doing it with the Wrong pieces. People like Lue dont belong in a hal court System of game.
     
  3. bob718

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    This is T-Mac's team.
    Yao is T-Mac's Zydrunas.
     
  4. beyao

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    Good point...even when the Lakers built there team around Shaq they knew to surround him with halfcourt bombers...guys that would rather lob treys all day than run an umtempo game. Think about it...who were the best role players the Lakers had?

    Fischer, Fox, Horry - all these guys would salivate when Shaq was doubled and they were very capable of making people pay.

    Who on the Rox fills the role of the aforementioned Lakers role players... who's main weapon is the trey before anything else? Sadly, I can't think of ONE.

    This is the inherent problem with the ROX...they play a game that supposedly makes Yao the man...but do not have the personnel to execute that strategy. Yet they can't build entirely around Tmac and his running game because that would make Yao a role player. The only solution (other than trading Yao or Tmac) is to fundamentally change the the offense...and frankly, I believe such an offense would soar right over JVG's head. It's time to bring in someone who can mesh the talents of Yao and McGrady.
     
  5. Charvo

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    I think everyone knows Silas wanted Zydrunas traded. They were looking to trade him in order to speed up the game. I doubt he is resigned after this season. The fact is Yao is not a fit on the Rockets. If Steve was traded for Ray Allen, then this would probably not be the case. Yao is bogging down the offense, and TMac is forced to shoot 3 pointers, and I do not consider TMac a deadeye marksman like Redd, Allen, or Barry.
     
  6. Charvo

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    I'm being honest here. Yao is odd man out here. There is no way the team can just dump everyone to get shooters. The Rockets should be running as much as the Nets run to get points, and I just don't see how Yao can be a part of a running offense.
     
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    And you Suggestion is? We trade Yao?
     
  8. smartxtai

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    Um.... that's kinda backwards... it's more like his shot is his first scoring option, and his drive is his second.
     
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    So why not just trade Yao??? He doesn't fit the "running" offense and so much has to be changed in order to accommodate Yao's style of play. It's JVG's job to figure out a way to make the offense go through Yao and Tmac. Right now, it is not working... so my plan would be to fire JVG's arse.. :mad: :mad:
     
  10. Charvo

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    You seriously think TMac is a gunner first, then driver second? TMac complained loudly about the zone defense last year and threatened to retire because of the zone defense. Gunners don't complain about zone defenses. Gunners thrive against zone defenses.

    My point was players like Kobe, TMac, Steve, etc. do well in uptempo environments. Yao is not an uptempo player.
     
  11. jopatmc

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    This team is built around Van Gundy. If it was built around either Yao or TMac then we would have seen Boki in the starting lineup tonight and Padgett would have gotten more minutes. Instead Van Gundy goes with the defensive hustler dude Bowen, and the defense clogged up on TMac and Yao.

    By the way, Kareem was not built for the running game, but he did quite nicely in LA with Magic running the break. For a team to be a championship team, they have to be able to defend, run half court offense, and push the ball and run the break whenever it is there.

    Yao is fine in the running game. He gets up and down the floor as good as most centers in this league. He definitely is not the slowest center coming up the floor. But he is a little slower this year because beloved Van Gundy is trying to mold him into the next Ewing instead of the next Kareem. He's dragging around a bunch of extra pounds to better be able to post up in the half court offense and play slow ball.

    This team is not a running team because it is Van Gundy's team, not because they can't run. Yao can board, throw the outlet pass, and then come down the floor as the big trailer. We saw him do that a couple times last year with Steve, coming down late and throwing down the big stuff.

    This team desparately needs Van Gundy to step away from the controls of the offense and let the players play to their strengths. He can teach defense, but offense is a whole different story.
     
  12. gotoloveit2

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    BINGO!
     
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    Yao isn't forcing T-mac to take 3s. T-mac likes to put up threes. The 3-ball is a big part of his game. He's was top three in 3s attempted per game his past two years in Orlando.


    You mean the Jason Kidd Nets, with one of the best guys at pushing the ball ever, and two guys that could run the floor as well as anybody in the league at their respective positions in K-Mart and Jefferson? Because I sure hope you don't mean the present day Nets who are flat-out the worst offensive team in the league. A team that that scores 6+ ppg less than the absolutely putrid offense that we have in Houston.

    I don't understand your logic at all. How many "running" teams in the league feature centers that can run the break. I guess Phoenix, since Amare is technically playing center. But mostly it's forwards that are getting up and down the court. It's not just Yao but we have absolutely no forwards that can run the break. I guess Boki comes the closest, or obviously T-Mac if he's playing the 3, but we don't have any big men that run the floor at all. So I don't see how Yao is the odd man out.

    I mean, if we did have other guys that could run the floor, then what's the scenario for Yao? Someone grabs the rebound and pushes it up the floor. If Yao can't keep up, then he only gets to half court while the rest of the guys finish the play on their own. Then Yao gets back on defense. Big Deal. Most fast breaks only require about 2 or 3 guys to even cross halfcourt before the shot goes up.

    I think T-mac and Yao can coexist, I don't think it's an either/or situation in terms of building around them. Frankly, having 2 dead-eye shooters on the floor with them (at the pg and sf positions) would help them both enormously. T-mac gets guys a lot of open looks off of drive and kick plays. And Yao draws plenty of attention too. 3 pt shooting from the pgs have been erratic at best, and with JJ it's feast or famine. Either he lights it up or he ends up going 2-9 or 1-6 from downtown.

    And I really don't even want to get into the whole Van Gundy's offense factor.
     
  14. RocketFire

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    we have the dumbest coach and the GM. we should have picked VanExel. He could have helped our team so much but JVG didn't want him in the team. This is JVG team. They did not know how to put team together. They should learn from Miami and Lakers who broke the team and then went out made a better team.
     
  15. Panda

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    We should've signed Jon Barry. :(
     
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    I wanna build Yao with current sonics players.
    They might be overrated this season but Yao will flourish in either Kings or Sonics
     
  17. Hottoddie

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    I wonder if Phil Jackson is available to lead Yao/T-Mac to the promised land?:D
     
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    I agreed. Rockets have the dumbest GM and coach in the league. When they got TMAC, everything just stopped there. They stop pursuing good shooters. Instead they opted to pursue fundamental players....ones that fit into the JVG's system, rather than one that pay for doubling Yao. Now they're realizing they're paying for the price. JVG obviously thought that if he get good fundamental players that they would play solid defense and that is enough to win game...but nada...the players they acquired don't play defense at all...unlike last year where the defense give you no easy look at all.

    So instead of pursuing good shooters like Fisher, Damon Jones...they went the other direction and get fundamental players instead. Bad idea!
     
  19. SamFisher

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    I will give Charvo credit, last year he was mercilessly banging on Francis as the cause of all evils, this year he found a new scapegoat.
     
  20. Rocket River

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    Well. . .for at least 4 years
    I have been saying .. . WE NEED MORE SHOOTERS

    whether we Drive and Dish [ISOH]
    or
    Dump it in [ISO]
    or
    Motion . .. WE NEED SHOOTERS

    Rocket River
     

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