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Is this team as good as we thought??

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by TMac#1, Apr 5, 2007.

  1. TMac#1

    TMac#1 Member

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    I am really beginning to worry about the makeup of this team and the JVG. I have been a supporter of JVG, but I am getting tired of his act and I don't really like the way he has influenced the roster.

    If you look at our starting 5, we only have 2 guys that can score and create offense in tmac and Yao, and nobidy coming off the bench. Whereas you look at teams like Phoenix or Dallas or SA or Detroit they have a lineup and bench full of guys that can score points, something we haven't been able to do. On a team with frickin Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming we should have enough around them to be scoring 100+ every night. I am really starting to think that tmac and Yao are wasting their years with this coach and the below average talent around them. Besides a 3 pointer, this team basically has zero other offense besides tmac/yao 1on1 offense.

    Look at these JVG inspired moves; I like Shane Battier but besides a wide open corner 3 he brings nothing on offense. Hustle and drawing charges are nice, but the fact is that we need points, and he can't score at all. He plays good defense, but so do other guys that have some offensive game as long as they have the athletiscm and size to do so.

    We have a 6'6 guy playing PF who can barely make a lay up, and a PG who makes stupid decisions and hits his 3s one night and is a brick machine the next. We have 2 or 3 backups in our starting lineup (with better PF and PG, shane's offensive deficiency could be covered up) and nothing on the bench but a 3pt specialist who can't handle the ball, and juwan howard who has been awful of late.

    Then we go and sign a guy who put up 20 and 10 in the playoffs last yr, who could come in and be our Stackhouse and he sits on the bench the whole season because the coach is a stubborn ass. I understand Bonzi had his struggles but we need our best players on the floor.

    Look, hustle and trying hard are important but at some point we have to realize that we need talent, and if JVG is going to waste it away, he needs to be gone.

    I was convinced we could really beat Utah and give Dallas a run, but this stretch has really shown our weaknesses in the roster and the coach, everything has to be perfect for this team to win, because we are talent deficient.
     
  2. doublehh03

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    as long as tmac stays healthy and shoot his usual % of 44-45%, we can overcome anything.

    tmac just has to get into that mindset of when he played w/o yao. that tmac + yao => beat any team.

    this team goes as tmac goes.

    and REALLY, right now, the only part of mac's game that sucks is his shooting. his passing and defense have reached playoff level. JUST MAKE A DAMN JUMPER. i dont care if u want him to drive b/c he will. but he gotta start make them damn jumpers.

    i mean, defenses were tougher w/o yao and he makes 46-47%. so what the hel ltmac?
     
  3. monkeyboy32

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    So you are blaming everything on JVG? You have to realize that he didnt have much to work with when he got here. The horribles signings of RudyT and Dawson crippled the Rockets, and it is still being felt today. You realize that our team is capped out right? Most of our roster is put together by FA pickups. The one bad move that JVG did make was trading MJ for Alston, but other than that, I think he has done a wonderful job.

    When we have a team that didnt have much room under the cap, our lineup is not going to be as deep.
     
  4. Verbatim

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    Got to step up and defend Battier. He is the super role player and great not good great defender. He doesn't look to score because as a role player, he is not suppose to score. Notice he is trying more now?

    This is TMAC and Yao team. They do well, we win, it's really that simple.
     
  5. HTownTmac1

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    Please dont get everybody feelin all crappy and stuff... PLEASE BE FRIGGIN' positive.. just because were on a little slump cause we Lost to UTAH..and GSW(NO TMAC).

    as soon as we start winning everybody is gonna be happy and stuff.

    THINK ABOUT ALL THE GREAT WINS WE HAVE HAD THIS SEASON DAMNIT! :mad:
     
  6. krnxsnoopy

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    JVG did a GREAT JOB so far regarding the crap team handed to him, and the injuries we've dealt with the past two seasons...


    We probably aren't a "contender" at this point, but it could have been alot worse..
     
  7. Luffy1

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    No because the assumption was that bonzi would be playing, but JVG has a vendetta against him, so he sacrifices winning to bench bonzi.
     
  8. ekim

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    How is he sacrificing winning to bench Bonzi? We are winning without Bonzi that's why hes not playing... If Bonzi can help us get 70 wins don't you think JVG will play him already :rolleyes:
     
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    And why does JVG have a vendetta against Bonzi, Luffy? This isn't a chicken-or-egg question; JVG gave Bonzi a chance and Bonzi showed up overweight, apathetic towards preseason practice, and even messed up his chances early in the season. How come you never lay some blame on Bonzi? Are you one of those guys who sit in class, watch a classmate disturb the rest of the class, watch the teacher kick the classmate out of class, and complain what a piece of sh_t the teacher was because that classmate was pretty smart and would make the class look smarter if he continued to sit in class in disturb everything?

    Please.
     
  10. RiceDaddy7

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    Actually no, but that's besides the point...
     
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    Realistically, our many weakness have been exposed and we can't overcome them. JVG, although I like him, it feels like he's wearing out his welcome, seems like he talks alot of solutions but the same problems are there.

    If Rafer stinks it up shooting wise in the playoffs and he's still here next year then JVG has lost credibility with me.

    So he blows a few tough layups, that guy has made the majority of passes to him. He's a limited player but I see him as a plus for our team. We need his hustle plays big time.

    Outside of Mac, we have too many limitations about our team, even Yao. He has apparent limitations and can be shown to be a nonfactor if the other team throws the right type of D and personnel at him.
     
  12. demon77

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    seem like they are asking a bit too much from the "role player". ( I mean... they are role player for a reason)

    The team is pretty much what most realistic fan have expected, and JVG did really well throughout the year (much better then expected considering the injuries we had).

    I think the problem is really some of the fans. When we win, all the praise goes to "YAO" or "T-mac", and we'll arrogantly see ourself practically unstoppable. But when we lose, all the blame goes to the coach or the role player, and we'll be posting all sort thread trashing the players/team.
     
  13. RiceDaddy7

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    Okay, whoa. I think we should reserve our judgement of the JVG era until the playoffs are over. We're on the verge of a 52 win season, close to the same number of wins our first championship year had (55). Any coach that gives a team 50+ wins shouldn't be called a bad coach until something terrible in the playoffs eliminates those hard earned regular season wins ( like a loss in the first round ). Did you expect the Rockets to win 60 games this season or was it closer to 52? Exactly. So we are where we're supposed to be in terms of regular season wins and losses. In the playoffs, anything can happen and that's when we'll see what JVG can do.
     
  14. TTRocket

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    I think winning the 1st round is this teams ceiling. That being said, we will be the underdogs in the 1st round, and rightfully so.
     
  15. RiceDaddy7

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    Exactly!
     
  16. doublehh03

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    uh no. i'm comfortable facing any team outside of the suns.

    again, tmac just needs to make his jumpers to around 45% clip. if he does, we're on a WHOLE other level. maybe his tight back has been going for a while and thus his jumpers haven't been that good. let's see how he shoots these next few games b4 the playoffs.
     
  17. demon77

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    couldn't agree more. :)
     
  18. doublehh03

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    when we lose, it should go to the stars also. role players are called role players for a reason. they're INCONSISTENT. that's why they're role players and not stars. even battier, the best role player, disappears in big games (as seen by his pathetic playoff performances w/ the grizz. even his D disappears).

    when we lose, i blame tmac or yao. tmac for not shooting well. yao for not rebounding better, play pick and roll D better, and turn the ball over too many damn times in the 4th. they're your stars. we live and die by them.
     
  19. RiceDaddy7

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    I think the realistic bottom line is that we win the first round and take Dallas to the limit ( Game 6 or 7 ). To me, that would be good job by JVG. If under that, every JVG hater has a right to egg him all year long. It's not unreasonable to expect the Rockets to beat the Jazz and compete against the Mavs. There's no shame in losing to the Mavs in six or seven games except the crap that we'll have to hear it from those gay Mav fans.
     
  20. Luffy1

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    He has a vendetta against bonzi cause bonzi tried to blow off some preseason games. I don't care if bonzi didn't want to play some preseason games cause preseason is completely meaningless and never has any bearing on the season. However, JVG has never forgiven him for that and has held a grudge ever since. JVG never gave him any real chances or used him correctly ever since and that will come bite us come playoff time when winning there is what matters in the end.
     

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