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is there a worse fast break point guard in the nba?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by verse, Feb 6, 2003.

  1. verse

    verse Member

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    seriously.

    i want to know if there is a point guard in the entire nba that makes worse fast break decisions or worse executions than steve francis?

    i only ask because this, once again, points to instincts. i just don't believe you can "teach" a man to play point guard. it has to be instinctual. steve just doesn't have those instincts.

    steve for brand and miller? god, i wish....
     
  2. heypartner

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    nope

    and I agree, you cannot teach someone to run a fastbreak properly. Yeah, I got Yao one on one under the basket against a guard and no one in front of me...my instincts say, "go for the ESPN highlight reel 40' pass" rather than take the ball to the rim and make that little guard covering Yao just step aside.

    I screamed the moment he stopped his dribble.

    u n b e l i e v a b l e

    At least Francis admitted it later, I guess.
     
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    cuz steve wants to finish every play. troy hudson and jwill are among the worst; they want to shoot every single time, so when they pass, they turnover the ball.
     
  4. KeepKenny

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    how bout that 3 on 1 fastbreak where he had posey uncovered on the wing, and he does a difficult fingerroll layup over the defender. he made the shot, but it could have been much easier.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    He doesn't trust his teamates.

    DD
     
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    Why do you have to ask?

    Going by last nights games, I say Francis. What a dumb pass, 12 seconds is a lot of time to take a shot. Didn't he see the two players around Yao, If im not wrong, one of those players was Ricky Davis, a guy who can jump very very high. And first of all the pass wasn't even thrown that high. What is wrong with the Rockets? Move the ball, and you will win. Look at the stats, move the ball and you will win.
     
  7. Mr. Clutch

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    I haven't watched every PG in the league but I know that Steve does not push the ball up. He has a very bad habit of slowing down and taking smaller steps (whether it's by high stepping or tip-toeing) instead of taking long strides and accelerating in order to force the defense to commit. It's pretty simple, I don't see why he can't be taught. Maybe the reason he doesn't do it is because it requires him to be much more phsycal. I see Jason Kidd often bump off defenders as he is racing down the court.
     
  8. Free Agent

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    Worse?

    Moochie Norris.
     
  9. Mr. Clutch

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    good point! LOL
     
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    Reading between the lines, Francis said, "Yeah, shouldn't have passed, I'm keeping it next time." Actually, that's pretty much what he really said. :) Legitimate in this case, but what gets him in trouble often.

    Radical, Cuban-ized thought
    I agree it's impossible to teach someone the instinctual aspects of the break, but I think it's possible to break the process down into logical checkdowns for a score-first guard. In that vein, I'm thinking 2-guards who controlled the break. Bring in Clyde. He ran a beautiful, simple break. Have him just go through his thought process running the court. Push hard. Control the middle. Push even harder. Make them commit, dish before you hit the free throw line. If they don't commit, dunk on someone. Stop short with the head down thing, Stevie has enough trouble with his head up. Anyway, these are terms I think Francis could get. Probably won't happen, 'cause it would be admitting you had a problem and our whole team seems to have a problem with that.
     
  11. haven

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    Brand and Miller sure are working out well for the Clippers this year.
     
  12. Mr. Clutch

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    Why can't you teach someone to run a break? It seems to me that there are some fundamental things you should do on a break. There's no reason Francis couldn't do them!
     
  13. R0ckets03

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    Exactly. I just don't understand some peoples infatuation with the Andre Miller. Look what he has done with the Clippers. And they have at least as much talent as us.
     
  14. RIET

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    This is a microcosm of why the Clippers suck: (#6 was Rasheed Wallace)

    ESPN
    NBA's corrosive cancers
    From the Page 2 mailbag


    Earlier this week, Page 2 listed its choices for the 10 worst cancers ever to infect the NBA. We knew our readers would be able to come up with other delinquent germs, so we opened it up for discussion in this week's List.

    We received more than 1,500 letters on the topic, and here's how our readers ranked the top 10 biggest menaces in professional hoops history. Be sure to vote in the poll at right to crown the most offensive firebrand ever to plague the NBA.


    5. Donald Sterling (77 letters)
    Dennis Rodman may be crazy, but he won championships. Isaiah Rider may be a spoiled brat, but he never stays with a team long enough to hurt them. And Jason Williams may be the NBA's John Rocker, but like Rocker, he's falling into oblivion.

    It must be Donald Sterling, who has been the plague of the Clippers since back when they were still in San Diego. The Clippers have only made the playoffs three times while he's in charge (all first round losses) and most times have been utter disgraces. His bad decisions are legendary, from choosing Bo Kimble in 1990 (lasted two years) to killing a deal to trade Danny Manning for Glen Rice because he thought Danny would stay, then trading him for the aging Dominique Wilkins, who left at the end of the year.

    He also is the ultimate cheapskate owner (even worse than Carl "Smithers, Release the Hounds!" Pohlad). Who can forget him his first year as owner asking his coach if he'd tape his player's ankles himself so he wouldn't have to have a trainer? Now he has a good young team that is the envy of the league and he won't pay to keep them. Hey, Don, you've got two studs in Odom and Brand-don't let them get away.

    He's the ultimate cancer, because he's crippled a team for decades. Somebody buy the Clippers already and save them from this evil man.
    Geoff Fyfe
    Appleton, Wis.


    Donald Sterling scored Elton Brand and gave Clips' fans a glimmer of hope.
    Sterling without a doubt. I grew up in L.A., but hated all the local teams. So the Clips were a great antithesis to the Lakers for a seventh grader in 1984. Sterling is a joke. He has blown every opportunity to make the Clips a legit franchise. I still hold hope, maybe he'll finally do something with this year's bunch, but it's only wishful thinking.

    I have had dreams that Stern would force Sterling out for the love and riches of a young zillionaire with nothing else to do but dump money into the team.

    What about adding Elgin Baylor to your list? He has done great things, but does he have no self respect? How can he continue to work for Sterling after all these years? If he is as great as everyone says, I think he should have convinced Sterling to pony up or quit in protest by now.
    M. Geisel
    Ann Arbor

    It has to be Mr. Sterling of Clipperland. I moved to Los Angeles two years ago and followed the Clippers for the only reason that they weren't the Lakers. It also helped that I could get good seats at Staples for only ten bucks. Something happened as I followed them though, they actually began to play well. You could see the young players maturing and letting their talent grow. After a season that left me happy about the future of the Clippers they went into the offseason and got Elton Brand.

    I had heard about how bad Sterling was in the past but I was convinced that with getting Brand, Sterling now wanted to win and would do anything to do it. I wasn't the only one to think so. I could no longer get tickets for any Clipper games as fans packed the Staples Center every night. It helped my thought that Sterling would change again last off season as the Clippers then went out and got Andre Miller but alas, things returned to normal. Sterling offered nothing to Michael Olowkandi, Elton Brand, Lamar Odom, or Quentin Richardson and has left the team chaotic this year with no real shot at making the playoffs even with their incredible talent.

    Sterling has crushed the hearts of all Clippers fans again this year but we will be coming back for more again and again. Why? Because at least we aren't following the Lakers.
    Joe Turk
    Las Vegas
     
  15. heypartner

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    how did this become a Clipper thread?
     
  16. RIET

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    ?

    I was responding to the Andre Miller/Elton Brand criticism within the context of this thread.
     
  17. xiki

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    Pretty strong, just like that!
     
  18. verse

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    yeah, you're right. none of the clippers players are any good. nevermind that they all know the organization doesn't want to win. nevermind that they all know they won't be resigned. nevermind all freakin five starters are free agents and probably won't be resigned. nevermind all that. they're supposed to be a winning team right?

    yeah. andre miller sucks. and so does elton brand.

    they wouldn't be good next to yao ming...considering they're both smart, team first players. they're clippers so f*ck em, right?

    nevermind that their organization has always been a laughingstock and probably always will be, right?

    nevermind that they have 2 players which are almost sure to be great fits in the rockets yao-first system right?

    they're clippers so f*ck em, they suck...








    idiots...



    please give some coherent reasoning before farting out of your mouth...err, keyboard...
     
  19. verse

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    that's enough about the clippers...back to the subject of this thread please....





    and heypee: have you ever seen a point guard that can successfully, continually run the break from wing spots?
     
  20. verse

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    i actually don't think jwill is that bad on the break. he's just a cancer in the halfcourt set, what with his 30 footers with 15 seconds on the clock.


    troy, well, troy hudson, imo, = cat mobley at the point guard. he's capable, but really looks to score more than not. troy on the break isn't quite as bad because at least he usually does finish well, and he isn't allergic to the stop-n-pop.

    i really am struggling to find the 2nd worse point guard at running the break. really.

    are there any other converted 2 guards playing point right now??? marbury, i guess, but he actually enjoys passing on the break.
     

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