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Is that really the best shot we could get?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by montgo, Jan 10, 2002.

  1. montgo

    montgo Member

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    I know Cat got us back in it, but come on dude...feel free the make an attempt at juking Russell! He did not even make him work...21 foot hand in the face jumpshot with 5 seconds left on the shot clock....

    oh yea....these Refs suck too!
     
  2. Timing

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    Don't you know that in Hero Mobley's mind a 20 footer with just one hand in your face is a good shot? Geez... c'mon now. ;)
     
  3. The Voice of Reason

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    Maybe you were not watching or maybe you just want to moan about something so you shose this.
    that was not a bad shot. was it an easy layup?? no, but that is the kind of shot most teams would be happy with at the end of the game. hell the way the rockets usually put themselves into horrible situations, that was a terrific shot for us. maybe it was too easy. if he was off balance it would have gone in.

    did you expext 2 feet planted and time to think like posey had near the end of the nugs game tonight?? hell he missed that one too.

    i dunno i give up, i guess i should just start complaining about everything that does not go my way too.

    peace
     
  4. ZRB

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    He should have just pulled up for three. I wish that the Rockets would quit going for overtime. On the road, going for the win is always the best option. It should have either been a layup, or a three.
     
  5. DearRock

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    To tell you the plain truth I want Mobley out of Houston. He is no different to a mad man like Maxwell. I just cannot understand the man. Please trade him. He is not making anybody around him better, he is selfish and he is really high maintenance. It is like he is playing tennis not a team sport. He is highly talented but I think I would go for a Mr. Dickerson now at this point. To hell with the so called thrills, get him out of here, please. It was not just the last play, it is his game. He is careless with the ball like how he routinely trys to dribble in traffic. If his shot is not falling he isworthless. When he came into the league he actually was a good setup man, but it seems all gone.

    Just look at how a slow player like Stockton can be so proficient and efficient, even at his age. So slow, but he gets all the shots he wants. Mobley, a lightning quick player, just is so mistake prone further complicated by poor shot selection and a blurred awareness of game control and management. It is a damn shame.

    To think that he was one of them saying we are ready to make a run. Run my arse!
     
  6. francis 4 prez

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    Hell I'm just glad it didn't involve Willis shooting a ball from behind the backboard.

    I swear will people never be glad with anything Cuttino does. I mean what the hell do you want him to do. With that little time left you don't have time to set your man up to do what you want to do, you just have to get the best shot possible. It's not like he could've just driven to the basket for a free layup. He took a 20 footer and had enough room to get if off clean and he had been hitting shots in the 4th. What do you want him to do. I will agree with ZRB that I would've rather it been a 3 but the shot attempted was not horrible. Actually I would've probably just been happier if he had fired a laser at Crawford's head, walked over and spit on him, and then left the court. That would have been much more satisfying.
     
  7. RocksMillenium

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    I don't believe this. How many people thought the game was over when Francis was ejected? How many thought it was over when we were down 68-58? So Mobley plays us back into the game and gives us a chance to win a game we have no business even being in without Francis and all people are saying "I want Mobley out of Houston, He's just Maxwell, he doesn't make us any better he's selfish". God, we have somebody who actually had the heart to step up and try and win a game when our best player went out. How many teams would kill for somebody who didn't lay down and quit? This team was literally ready to roll over and die before Mobley hit those shots. But you want to run him out of Houston. I mean when Dickerson's shot isn't falling what does HE do!? Do you think that Michael Dickerson would have stepped up and tried to take over the game when Francis went down? We had no business being in this game after those idiot officials ran Steve out of there. But instead of being happy that he even got us back into the game people are ready to run him out town.
     
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  8. montgo

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    i am a Mobes guy all the way.... i also rarely complain about shot selection and he kept us in it....that was not the intended shot...money on it!!!

    For anyone to call that a good shot is lunacy...I do not care if it is Jordan, Bird or freakin Mobes...he makes it, I still call it bad shot selection with a great result....but, come on....

    Can you honestly say that was a high percentage shot and really what we wanted? If you say yes, then remind me to take you off the next coaching hire list.

    I just replayed the shot off the VCR and i do not think it cost us the game, but I also know it was not what we wanted....Here is the Bottomline off the tape: Russell was in his grill (inches seperated them and were it not for the fact that Russell has no hops anymore, that would have been blocked....Cuttino only saw 5 fingers and the rim just beyond and he still almost made, which was amazing. But, everyone knows he had time to crossover or get more separation or he had time to make a move off the dribble to the basket and maybe, pull up...there was no one behind Russell to stop Mobes from pulling up.....you see he still had 5-6 seconds before the shot clock sounded.....plenty of time and Mobes could have succeeded.
     
  9. DearRock

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    Well if you want to be impressed with that it is a matter for you. First of all he stunk up the joint earlier and was part of the reason we were about to be out of the game. Do you know how many possesion he screwed up? Padget or whatever his name is hit some 3's too. But there were other people involved. We lost the game because we including him did not get other people involved. It is the reason why our assist count is down and our fg% is so low. If he is someone that commands so much attention then setup your teammates. He wanted to be the hero and we could have gotten a much better shot or a foul.
     
  10. RocksMillenium

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    Well EVERYBODY on the team other then Francis stunk up the joint. It wasn't a balanced night at all. But the guy is a 20 ppg scorer and he compliments Francis well. It isn't a fluke this team won 45 games last year. If this team stays reasonably healthy and gets frontcourt play they can win 50 games. They showed that when they started the season 5-1. To blame Mobley for this loss doesn't make sense. We're not even IN this game at the end with Mobley after we lose Francis. We lost because he didn't include others!? We were down 10 before we lost nobody else was stepping up! This team was mailing it in! You honestly though we were going to win the game after Francis was ejected and we were down 10!? We're down 10 and about to lose, but it's Mobley's fault that he got us back into the game and missed a game winning shot!? Mobley is the reason our assists are down? Could it be that this team doesn't have chemistry because it hasn't played together at 100% yet? Guess what Francis assist are down for a starting PG. I don't blame him, who is there to pass it to other then Mobley and Griffin of late? This team isn't on the same page because they haven't had time to play together not because Mobley is single-handedly killing our chemistry, lowering our team assist ratio by himself or freezing out people.
     
  11. RocksMillenium

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    And we didn't lose this game because of Mobley, we lost this game because our star player was having a career night and got kicked out of the game for something petty.
     
  12. montgo

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    Not to change the topic....Getting the frontcourt to play consistently and really show up at all is the key..specifically the center and 3......extremely probing is the only word I can think of to describe Cato playing 20+ minutes and only getting 6 points and more embarassing is 3 rebounds....does not surprise me, but man..come on...Collier has to get us better than that.
     
  13. Timing

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    Rocks I think you're missing the entire aircraft carrier on this one. It's not Mobley's fault that he missed the game tying shot, it's his fault that he took a 20 foot jack with a hand in his face from a taller player after just coming out of a friggin timeout to supposedly get a good shot. Any player on the team can jack up a 20 footer with a hand in their face at any time and that's why Mobley's shot selection was atrocious. He's in the habit of doing this more and more, in fact he did it just the other day against Indiana. The purpose of that last play should be to get the highest percentage shot possible for himself or a teammate so we can win the game. Mobley's shot tonight was nowhere near the highest percentage shot possible and that's the problem.
     
  14. francis 4 prez

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    Wasn't francis guarding Padget early on.

    And how were we about to be out of the game other than when franics was ejected. And that was the time Cat stepped up and hit 3 3's and then hit a game tying shot with 39 seconds left. Why don't you bring that up. Why isn't there a post, how did Cat manage to hit that pressure shot with 39 seconds left to tie it. Hey maybe Cat didn't get the greatest shot but some people act like he could've just driven by Russell at will and just layed it on in. You know the other team does play defense and you don't just pick which shot you want and take it. He got enough separation to get it off and he was squared up. Sounds good enough to me. He was hitting in the 4th. Maybe he had this crazy idea that he might hit another long distance shot. Mobley you crazy fool.
     
  15. DearRock

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    Other theads will focus on the nonsense of the refs.

    To those who alot is given alot is expected and alot is expected of Mobley. If you do not think that he is high maintenance player making a host of untimely mistakes then we will agree to disagree. He will only get to the next level when he becomes a smarter fella.

    Mobley is responsible for his actions and he should behave accordingly. He should know that our margin of error is very small. A smart player would just keep going to the line, instead of going on a bricking contest. Smart players like Malone. Stocktpn, Bird. Magic all used other avenues to pull out game when their shots are not falling. Get to the line for god's sake. Penetrate and dish like Francis did the other day. You will agree if he did what I am advocating we would most likely have a different result.
     
  16. Rocketability

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    Murphy's law:

    :D
     
  17. francis 4 prez

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    Hilarious. Also my personal philosophy.
     
  18. montgo

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    Francis 4 Prez..good point on the Mobes praise...he sometimes does not get the positive pub he should get.

    our focus is still on the fact that it was a terrible shot at that moment when everyone is expecting something more high%, especially with time left on the clock. that is not what was planned and he had time to creat something or at leas try...

    it is not personal on mobes...i think he is a hella of a tier 2 player, but if Francis took that shot, I would say the same thing...."what the hell was that?" Be a little more creative Mobes...the reason I post this is because Mobes is better than that Lame shot that should have been blocked by the Russell no hops Punk!!!
     
  19. francis 4 prez

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    I hope you aren't talking about the last shot when you say that. Do you really think Cuttino could've gotten a foul called on the last play. PPPPPPPPPPPPLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As for the bricking contest he was shooting good to get us back in the game. Remember the rest of the 4th quarter. Also apparently his ankles are still bad and he's playing through the pain.
     
  20. leebigez

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    Lets see....... Indiana puts 6'9 Al Harrington on Cat at the end of the game and forces him to take a 25ft fade a way. Utah puts 6'8 Russell on Cat and again he shoots a long fade a way. Does anyone see the comparison in this?

    We need better big people, plain and simple. The is the second time a team basically zoned and invited Mobley to beat him off the dribble. With the larger player playing off a little and contesting the shot, the result was the same. A missed long shot to end the game. Rudy, I think with his poor plays and reliance on iso's put Mobley and company in bad situations. If the role were reversed, do you think we would have seen Stockton or Malone running an iso trying to beat the rockets off the dribble? I think anybody with any sense could answer that question. Mobley kept us in the game, unfortunately, iso on the wing is the only play Rudy can come up with again.
     

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