Is Steve Francis really about 'WINNING'?

Clutch has said that Francis has said he wouldn't really be against getting Jay Williams. Does that make Francis a winner now?

 

I know where you're coming from. You hear players say they're all about winning, yet they'll take the money instead of going to a contender. If you're all about winning, wouldn't you take 30 million dollars and a shot at a championship, and not 50 million dollars on a bad team? Either way, it's more money then you can spend. I think Francis is about winning though, I think he's comments are more along the line of he doesn't want to move from the PG spot. Think about it, how would Kobe respond if the Lakers managed to get a franchise SG? He would eventually move to SF, but he would probably put up a fuss about it. Considering how good our backcourt is though I think he has a point in not needing a PG. But if push came to shove I'm pretty sure he would move to 2-guard.

 

Is Steve Francis really about "NOT" winning?
That should be the tittle of this thread. I really can't believe how many of you continously hold Steve hostage for every thing that happens to this "Franchise."
He plays with more passion and desire than any other player in the game. (right it down)

 

i agree 100%

 

I hope the general attitude about Steve Francis in Houston isn't anything like the attitude that seems to be becoming more prevelant every day around here. If it is, he should sign somewhere else for less money, because he gets less and less respect around here every day...

 

If Steve is so much about winning why has so many veterans (like CB4, Shandon Anderson and to a lesser extent Dream by leaving) say he doesn't listen/doesn't give them the ball/doesn't give the team achance to win so instead I'll goto Toronto and play with VC.
My point is Stevie has not shown he is ready to win yet. He turns the ball over too much, his assists numbers have not gotten much better since his rookie year and still rarely palys defense. If that's the sign of a winning PG (high TOs, low assists, no defense) then our future is indeed bright.

He has all the talent in the world and is progressing in some areas (better shot selection for examaple IMO) but all in all he is not progressing as a PG.

 

I don't remember Hakeem or Shandon specifically saying that it was Steve's fault. If they were, Shandon was saying that to try and make up for the fact that he sucks, and Hakeem was saying that for the fact that he was getting too old to do the things he used to. There's no way in hell you can call Steve a ballhog his first two seasons. If anyone thought that, they're quite simply wrong. This last season, I'll admit that he was a ballhog at times, but I think that's mainly due to the fact that with all the injuries, the Rockets were putting in CBA talent around him, and he didn't feel comfortable giving them passes so they could brick shots.

As for Barkley, he also said the the Golf was trying to hurt Tiger Woods chances by making the courses longer. Most the things he says are either devoid of logic or very questionable. Don't believe anything he says.

 

For those of you who think Steve isn't about winning...check yourself in. The comment he made about the point guard at the lotto was completely in jest. Do you really think he would alienate the 1st or 2nd best player in the draft right off the bat? C'mon...give him some credit.

You need to look no further than to see him out there playing with a friggin migraine. I challenege any one of you armchair QB's to open your eyes, or even get out of bed, let alone play hoops with a migraine. And did I mention that he was playing in plenty of meaningless games with the headaches too? It isnt like he thought the Rockets were a game out of the playoff race when he took the floor. Im sure he realized that once March rolled around, nothing short of a miracle (thankfully that was saved for the lotto) would get the Rox into the postseason.

Give the guy a break because when we make the playoffs next year...he is going to be 90% why we do.

 

I wouldn't blame Francis for leaving.

 

So what's stopping Hakeem and Shandon now?

 

"You need to look no further than to see him out there playing with a friggin migraine."
I also saw Stevie sitting out alot of games with migraines so he may not be the warrior you think he is. Playing with a migraine would be tough but when you sit out 3 games with a migraine then play in the 4th does that prove anything?

Also Shandon spoke specifically of Stevie not passing the ball to him on the breaks. Stevie is not a ball hog, he just loves to pass the ball to Cat and doesn't pass the ball to anyone else as much.

Dream said he wanted to play on a Championship contendor, that tells me that he looked at our roster with Stevie and Cat and figured VC gave him a better chance to win.

My main problem with Stevie is you can not figure out what he wants. He jumped from college to college, had a chance to stay in Maryland to play for a championship caliber team, went to the pros, got drafted, cried his way out of Vancouver got traded here, guaranteed he would lead the league in assists, didn't, and has not improved his PG skills.

Again he has great skills (top 5-10 in the league), but great ability does not make a winner.

 

I would...

 

Anyone who questions Steve's ability to be a "WINNER" needs to be booted off this board.
You guys are "WHINERS"

 

I'd be hard pressed to find a more assinine statement on this board

Shandon sucks. He doesn't get the abll in NY either. Mere coincidence? I think not.

 

Hell yeah!

 

I think he wants to win badly. Sure his decision making really hasn't improved, but to be fair, thesystem really doesn't help either. Its clear that he plays off the ball probably better than on the ball. That doesn't mean I want him shooting over bigger guys every night, it jus means he needs frontcourt help to ease his decesion making. The yr the Rockets won 45 games and goton that roll was when Hakeem had that burst and was avg 16pts 11 rebs and about 2.5 blks. Give Frncis someone like that to the point to where he doesn't have to or think he has to make all the plays and he's sure to play better.

Someone says maybe watching Bibby and Jackson in the backcourt made him think twice. I don't think thats the case because Francis and Mobley together are better than Bibby/Jackson. The difference is when their frontcourt player gets 29 and 13rebs in Webber and even Vlade gets 14pts 10rebs. In some cases a team can b small, but still be big. When they went small, they didn't have a 6'4 guy playing the 3 or a 6'7 small forward playing the 3 either. Ithink he know and lik everyone who watches the Rockets play know we need frontcourt help bad! You can talk about Mo Taylor and the few games Cato showed up or even the Eddie Griffin progress, but its really nothing right now in our frontcourt that would have us at an advantage against any western conf. team. You can have all the 6'2 guards you want, but if you don't have someone in the post, you'll be on the outside looking in just like the Rockets and phoenix were last yr.

Not to discredit anything Francis has done concerning the headaches, but Kareem played 20yrs with migraines. He even had to play the finals a couple of times with the migraines. People called Pippen a b**** when he copped a Migraine against Detroit in 89. Steve isn't the only player that ges them.

 

Well until he actually wins something people will continue to question whether he is a winner or not ...