Is Ryan Bowen really the worst rotation player in the NBA?

I will try to put this simple YES

 

No Rod Strickland is. Ohh wait - the Rockets cut him last year.

 

It's hard to make that judgment without following all of the teams - the NBA guys at ESPN would have a better idea. But I would say that it's quite probable.

The problem is that Bowen isn't meant to play heavy minutes - the Roxs were forced into that when TMac, DA, Sura, and even Dion Glover went down. He matches up well defensively with big SFs or quick PFs, and he's good for a 5 minute change of pace, but that's about it. Even he would tell you he doesn't deserve the minutes he's getting. It's just bad luck.

 

Yes he is the worst player in the league, period.

 

Quite frankly....YES, BY FAR!!! i have never seen a less talented player in my life. if i was 6'9'' and i have the jump shot i have now i could be making the money he's making. He does hustle, but when you make Bill Winnington look like a superbly talented player you definitely dont belong in this league.

 

Bowen is clearly a 10 minute guy in this league. He made his two year contract off a good series against Dirk, and he can't even do that anymore. Dirk got anything he wanted last night against Rybo. Of course it's not his fault that we're on our last string, and he gets pressed into big minutes.

 

I've been questioning Van Gundy's coaching ability based on the fact that this guy plays at all.

 

he is the worst player if you judge on basketball skills.

however, he sometimes has an impact on the game even without basketball skills. he is 6'9, and fairly quick for his hight. that makes him a pretty good defender when there is a matchup problem like tall 3's or quick 4's.

his hustle gets us a few extra possessions each game.

he may be the least talented but i'd play him above some more talented players because talent doesn't allways make a difference in a game.

 

In terms of possessing pure skill, talent, and potential, Yes!

In terms of hustle, No!

His hustle is the only reason why he is here, because what he lacks in ability, he makes up for with hustle, even to the point of exceeding a number of other players in NBA rotations who have much more inherent skill, but lack his heart, hunger, hustle and desire...!

 

yeah i admitted that when bowen dunked in the preseason like a monster as clyde said....i thought he could shoulder the post responsbility which overloaded on yao.

 

I've grown tired of hearing myself say this guy is the worst player in the league.....

 

Not shocking, but still misleading a bit.

If Bowen is playing big minutes, then T-Mac is out injured. So his on the court #s are probably going to reflect the team #s when T-Mac is out.

I would be that his +/- #s are pretty close to what the team's total +/- is when T-Mac doesn't play.

 

not counting his hustle and defense, its a big fat..........
YES!!!

 

Uh, we really really need to draft a 6'9" SF who is young, quick, can shoot, rebound, dunk, pass and defend. Then Rybo will never ever play again when Tmac is out. Rybo will be player number 12 thru 15 at best next year.

 

I would have rather had Stephen Graham or John Lucas III than Ryan Bowen.

The guy hustles, sets a good example.....but is really horrible.

He does get you extra possesions though....

DD

 

he negates those extra possession with three whiffs of the basket.

 

Statistically, Bowen does suck. There are no tangible stats out there that reflect his value (while limited) to the team or any player similar to him. He doesn't score at all, doesn't rebound at all, etc. He hustles, gets loose balls and thats about it. Adjusted stats don't show that. Not saying that he doesn't basically stink, but he is what he is.

Regardless, if T-Mac is healthy Bowen doesn't play, and if he does, its limited and I think his +/- would be less offensive than it is.

BTW ..any way to find out what his +/- was last year?

Sans T-Mac and Yao, I would venture to guess this team's point diff is close to Howard's +/- since hes the only regular guy playing 30+ mins when they are out. IOW, the higher a person's minutes, the close they will always be to a team's actual point diff.

At best, +/- are highly flawed stats, at least in regards to how they are interpreted.

Case in point: A team's overall point diff is -2, but Bostjan Langhi's +/- in 10 mins a game is +6. Fans clamor to give BL more minutes based on that +/-. Based on this theory, if BL plays starter mins, would the team's point diff start to more closely reflect what BL's +/- is or would BL's +/- start to more closely reflect what the team's overall point diff is?

Personally, I think starters +/- are absolutely worthless, because they will all be a pretty close reflection to what the team's actual point diff is.

I think they can be more fairly gauged on small min rotation players, as long as one doesn't try to forecast that data to project what the team would do if the player was given more mins (just like per 48 stats, which I also find to be grossly flawed ....(i.e. if Yao played 48, he would average 28/13, but forgetting that based on per 48, he would foul out before reaching 48 mins))

Sorry for the rant