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Is Princeton's Goodrich Going to be a Camp Darling?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by heypartner, Sep 24, 2002.

  1. heypartner

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    I'm somewhat surprised no one is jumping on this, given how much people rave about the Euro game and piont to Princeton. Goodrich is the hero of Princetons 27-2 season when they got ranked #8 in the nation. The first thing that hit me when seeing Goodrich's name was, boy, now that is a high post center!!

    <b>Camp Fodder or a mini-Ming in his absence</b>

    I've been expecting the Rockets to find someone to bring into camp who might be able to run Yao Ming high post sets out of the gate. <b>The Center is the key to Princeton's offense</b>, and it is to run the offense from the high post. He must have shooting range and great knowledge of the game and passing ability. Goodrich is the best center Princeton has ever had at doing this. Rudy will not have to teach Goodrich any of that, if indeed Rudy indeed wants to practice that in Yao's absence.

    Maybe Goodrich is more than Camp fodder. Maybe Goodrich is the body to fill Yao's role in practice until Yao arrives, then he gets cut... :(

    <b>Good Articles about Goodrich's Team Approach to BBall</b>

    <a href="http://www.ivybasketball.com/features/verbatim/02-0904-goodrich.html">Great question and answer article with his Pro bio</a>

    <a href="http://www.pacpubserver.com/new/sports/12-10-99/goodrich.html">Read this regarding his Princeton Mindset</a>

    Anyone who wants to root for a team-first player to make the team should read these. He is the antithesis of rooting for a ball-hog like Langhi. <b>Here's a perfect example of the Goodrich vs Langhi mindset.</b>
    <blockquote><i>Q: I imagine coming from Princeton it has to be very frustrating for you to play in these summer league and rookie camps where everyone is out to showcase their individual skills. How do you deal with this?</i>

    A: I try to play to my strengths. It is frustrating from a team point of view to play with people who are just trying to play one-on-one all the time, but I can't start doing that, because it will make me look worse. But a lot of teams think that it is a better idea to take a guy with a lot of individual ability and teach him to play, than to take a guy who knows how to play, but lacks some of the ability. And it is hard to argue against that. I actually play a lot better in training camp with veteran pros than I do in summer league camps.</blockquote>
     
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  2. DaDakota

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    I wonder what this means for Collier? I can see this guy at least making the IR.

    This team needs smart players, and with Yao, Nachbar, and this guy, they may rub off on the rest of the team.

    DaDakota
     
  3. verse

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    collier has no role on this team whatsoever, especially in lieu of the yao drafting. if we're (hopefully) running our offense through the center and the high post from now on, what real purpose does collier serve? sure, he can can the open j on occasion, but he has never shown the ability to be an above average passer, which is tantamount to running your offense through the high post.

    imo, that's the reason eddie griffin hasn't been mentioned in articles talking about the high post offense. eddie is not an above average passer, either. the difference between eddie and jason, however, is obvious: eddie's skill set dictates that you FIND a place on the floor for him...better yet you let him decide where on the court he feels most comfortable then you work with him.

    collier's out like a poot in the wind.
     
  4. heypartner

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    Here's another great article explaining the importance of the Carril's Princeton Center and comparing Goodrige to past great Princeton centers.

    <a href="http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/Content/1998/05/06/sports/sonneborn.html"> Goodrich’s spectacular play at center sets new standard for men’s hoops’ big men </a>

    <blockquote>Now when people talk about the next great center in Princeton basketball history, they will not be looking the next Kit Mueller or the next Rick Hielscher. They will be looking for the next Steve Goodrich.</blockquote>

    Also, I didn't realize that Pete Carril became an assistant coach of the Kings in 1996, after two yrs coaching Goodrich. An old star at Princeton (Petrie) is the President of the Kings. No wonder they went out and got Divac!!!
     
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  5. verse

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    heypee! i thought you were not college bball inclined? ;)


    as for goodrich, we all know that he isn't going to make the team. what is notable is that they would bring him in to be a simulated yao (aka: simi-yao). so, simi-yao will do what he has always done at princeton: run the high post and have the offense come through him.

    i mentioned in another thread that these moves are very important and clear indicators that we will see a change in offensive philosophy this coming season. combine this with kt moving to sf and you'll see that we are becoming less and less of a perimeter oriented team (which was a matter of not having much of a choice due to injuries) and more of an old ucla or princeton type offensive team. that excites me!
     
  6. heypartner

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    verse,
    I still watched NCAAs and March Madness until I got season tickets, especially Princeton games. But as you can see, I didn't even realize Carril left Princeton.

    Why do you say he can't make the team; he played several months with the Nets last year, to be cut later.

    check this quote out.

    Eddie Jordan is the Asst Coach of the Nets where Goodrich played last year. Pete Carril was his asst when Jordan coached the Kings.

    <b>They conferred with Goodrich on how to run the offense.</b>

    <blockquote><i>Q: You were in a unique situation where you probably had a better understanding of the offense than the coaches who were teaching it. Were you ever called upon to help with teaching the offense in New Jersey?</i>

    A: I felt the best with the Nets, because it's the team I felt I could contribute the most. <b>They were running an offense I knew completely, and I had a good feel for the other players.</b> I also really liked and respected the coaching staff. It was my best pro experience.
    . . .
    The Nets run a lot of the same things as we did at Princeton, but they need to shoot the ball a little quicker, because of the shorter shot clock. They don't run the offense using the center as a passer as much as we did at Princeton, and they try to post up their forwards a little bit more.
    . . .
    Eddie Jordan is the Nets assistant head coach, and Coach Carril was his assistant while he was the head coach in Sacramento, so he has an excellent understanding of the offense and how to run it, and was the principle teacher. <b>I helped him sometimes, in terms of explaining some things that worked for us,</b> and some things we ran that changed after Coach Carril left Princeton, so I tried to be helpful in that way.</blockquote>
     
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  7. B-Bob

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    I prefer the "pseudo-Yao" to simi-Yao. Hope Goodrich sticks, and I hope Collier is outta here. No offense intended, JC.
     
  8. heypartner

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    no, it has to be Mini-Ming
     
  9. verse

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    heypee:

    well, i suppose it is possible to keep him in place of a cut collier. it's not like the rockets haven't payed players that weren't on the roster before (maloney, augmon, etc.) hey, i'd be all for it!

    plus, i like the leadership role that goody goody gumdrops showed in new jersey!
     
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    goody goody gumdrops....nice nick!!!

    He's pretty small at 220. But I do like the coaching ability of him, especially if Rudy got him for that same reason Eddie Jordan got him, and he has a chance to have real 3pt range. He did in college. Maybe his top potential is a Bullard type who knows the game well, helps make practices for effective by helping the coaches and is available for 3s.

    here's another article of his time in Chicago ... he's a coach's dream.

    http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/Content/2001/04/19/sports/947.shtml

    <blockquote>"He just absolutely does exactly what we want him to do, every trip,"

    Bulls head coach Tim Floyd said after the game. "He makes the right play, passes the ball well. I thought he played well." </blockquote>
     
  11. Doctor Robert

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    I've never seen him play, but from the stuff you posted, it sure sounds that way. As you stated clearly in other threads, the Rockets will find it difficult to run two separate offenses this year.... one with Ming and one with Cato. Everyone is asking about Collier when they should be asking about Collier AND Cato.
     
  12. B-Bob

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    I completely concede the point. LMAO! :D I was going to advocate Yaolito, but Mini-Ming is the best.
     
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    Goodrich is the man. He's going to step up and represent for us princetonians. He's much better than collier.
     
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    This is a smart move. I get the feeling that Goodrich is being brought in to make sure Ming will have a teamate and friend he can relate to; especially on the plane and long road trips.
     
  15. verse

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    what i REALLY like is that if goody goody gumdrops proves to be competent enough to contribute 10 minutes per game to this team, cato become that much more expendable. if that happened, i could deal with the center spot being:

    ming @ 25-30 minutes per game (more if not in "faol" trouble :)
    gumdrops @ 10 minutes per game
    motay @ 8-13 minutes per game
     
  16. Doctor Robert

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    So would Mo take Yao's high post position while Cato was on the floor? Cato becomes a great liability when all of our offensive plays use the Center as a vital piece.
     
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    That is classic. Yep, got to go with Mini-Ming!
     
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    Reading about this guy and seeing how his pro career consists of going to camps for NBA teams, getting cut, going to Europe, etc. makes me want to give him a spot with the team as a 12th man, but realistically, we just don't have space. If Collier wasn't under contract, maybe the Rocks would pick him up, but I just don't see Goodrich being good enough to warrant dropping Collier and still pay his contract.
     
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    The idea of Cat and Steve ever running a high post oriented offense through Ming is laughable. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong but I just don't think these guys will give up the touches.

    Coupled with my skepticism of Rudy's x's and o's abilities I'll remain skeptical until I see it for an extended portion of the season.

    AT
     
  20. saleem

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    I have never seen Goodrich play but it seems that he might be a good fit for us in practice. Collier probably won't be going anywhere but if Goodrich proves to be a better player compared to him then they might cut him and let Goodrich take his place.
    I would like to know if Goodrich has any foot speed or not.

    Doctor Robert,I like your comments about the team having to run two different offenses once Cato is on the court.The high post offense would disappear when Ming is on the bench and Francis might end up holding on to the ball instead of passing it around to the forwards when Cato is playing which would be a big mistake.
     

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