Extremely sketchy intelligence on this - but the break on the big missile test wasn't much better... I'll update as more info is available. _______ North Korea may be preparing nuclear bomb test North Korea may be preparing an underground test for a nuclear bomb, ABC News said on Thursday, citing unidentified U.S. officials. It quoted a senior military official as saying a U.S. intelligence agency had recently observed "suspicious vehicle movement" at a suspected North Korean test site. A senior State Department official told the network: "It is the view of the intelligence community that a test is a real possibility." Asked about the report, a senior U.S. official told Reuters: "We have no new evidence to support that." link
A bit more information on why US intelligence thinks this might happen. I believe the main point may be "What does he have to lose?" _______ N. Korea Appears to Be Preparing for Nuclear Test ... A senior military official told ABC News that a U.S. intelligence agency has recently observed "suspicious vehicle movement" at a suspected North Korean test site. The activity includes the unloading of large reels of cable outside P'unggye-yok, an underground facility in northeast North Korea. Cables can be used in nuclear testing to connect an underground test site to outside observation equipment. The intelligence was brought to the attention of the White House last week. Even before this most recent intelligence, there has been growing concern within the U.S. government that North Korea has been moving toward a nuclear test. North Korea is believed to have enough nuclear material to build as many as a dozen nuclear bombs, but it has never tested one. A successful test would remove any doubt that North Korea is a nuclear power. "What does he have to lose?" asked one senior military official, referring to North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. ... Underground nuclear tests are notoriously difficult to detect ahead of time. U.S. intelligence agencies, for example, failed to predict nuclear tests by India and Pakistan in 1998. Officials say it is possible that North Korea may either be putting on a show for American spy satellites to get attention, or may conduct a nuclear test in an entirely different location. Some analysts believe Kim Jong Il may feel the only way to be taken seriously is to prove that North Korea is a nuclear power. Officials acknowledge that nobody really knows Kim Jong Il's intentions, but there is a belief among analysts that he is upset about the recent U.N. resolution condemning his missile tests and upset with the Chinese for supporting that resolution. "It is the view of most in the community that there is a 50-50 chance North Korea will conduct a nuclear test by the end of the year," said one analyst. Asked what the United States would do in response to a nuclear test, a senior U.S. official told ABC News, "We would try to hermetically seal the hermit kingdom." full link
I believe at some point the DPRK regime will crumble. Maybe this is a close to last gasp sign of desperation and they know the end is near. Forgive me for wishful thinking.
A "senior US official," with a poor sense of humor. Really, what do the loonies have to lose? Chinese support? They get little enough from anywhere else, and I doubt that the Chinese would do more than hem and haw about it. After all, they gave Pakistan the technological blueprints to produce atomic weapons, so what's a little proliferation on another border? We will do nothing, in part because the South would not allow it, and in part because an attempt to destroy their nuclear capability, while something we could do, would result in the likely deaths of hundreds of thousands of South Koreans, and possibly many Japanese as well. Truly a rotten situation. One can only hope that they will eventually collapse, and the world, and the South, can then help the poor people of the North. By helping to prop up the North, I don't think China is doing those people in the general population any favors. Keep D&D Civil.
Maybe Now Iran and N Korea are in a pact to cause trouble for US at the same time! While US is engaged with Iraq and have little power left to take care of them.
There are some tough talks both from the Chinese and from North Korea. It appears that China is growingly impatient with its north neighbor. I still don't think that any sanction would work. Some examples: A senior Chinese diplomat told a group of visiting Japanese opposition party members this week that China is against any nuclear tests by North Korea and that Beijing would not cooperate with Pyongyang if it goes ahead with any such tests. http://theseoultimes.com/ST/?url=/ST/db/read.php?idx=3909 South Korea's Chosun Ilbo newspaper reported that China has reduced "a significant amount" of its oil supplies to Pyongyang since the communist North conducted a series of missile launches on July 5 that have drawn UN Security Council sanctions.The newspaper cited unnamed officials at an oil storage terminal near the Chinese border city of Dandong. http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2006/08/27/2003325055 North Korea's reclusive leader Kim Jong-il has called key allies China and Russia "unreliable," saying his country should overcome the international standoff over its nuclear and missile programs on its own, a news report said Saturday. http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2006/08/28/200608280041.asp
No sansction is going to do any good to a starving but well armed country. A gradual change is more hopeful and practical but that idea does not interest Bush administration at all.
Here we go... _______ North Korea says will conduct nuclear test SEOUL (Reuters) - An increasingly isolated North Korea said on Tuesday it would conduct its first-ever nuclear test, blaming a U.S. "threat of nuclear war and sanctions" for forcing its hand. The statement by North Korea's foreign ministry, carried on the official KCNA news agency, was condemned by neighboring Japan as "unacceptable" and caused South Korea to increase its security alert. The announcement confirms weeks of rumors the communist state was planning a test and came amid increasingly sour relations with the outside world after it test-fired missiles in July. "The U.S. extreme threat of a nuclear war and sanctions and pressure compel the DPRK (North Korea) to conduct a nuclear test, an essential process for bolstering nuclear deterrent, as a corresponding measure for defense," the statement said. But it added that North Korea would never use nuclear weapons first and would "do its utmost to realize the denuclearization of the peninsula and give impetus to the world-wide nuclear disarmament and the ultimate elimination of nuclear weapons." Analysts say North Korea probably has enough fissile material to make six to eight nuclear bombs but probably does not have the technology to make one small enough to mount on a missile. Pyongyang's latest and, to date, most extreme saber-rattling was most probably aimed at trying to force the United States into direct talks and end a painful financial crackdown on impoverished North Korean offshore bank accounts, analysts said. Japan's new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, said any nuclear test by North Korea would be unacceptable. "North Korea needs to realize that unless it responds to the concerns of international society, its situation will only worsen," he told reporters. DANGEROUS The North Korean statement comes as Abe readies for talks with leaders in China and South Korea from this weekend. Officials in China -- North Korea's main suppliers of aid -- gave no immediate official response to the report. Top South Korean security officials met and issued a statement outlining the increased security alert, the presidential Blue House said. Both Koreas, China and Japan are members of six-nation talks trying to end Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program. The two other members are Russia and the United States. North Korea walked out of the talks almost a year ago and has refused to return until the United States ends its financial squeeze. "Pyongyang has been increasingly controlled by hardliners in the past months and its policies and words have become more and more extreme. The situation is really dangerous," said Shi Yinhong, professor of International Relations at Renmin University in Beijing. "I think by the statement they want to show their resolve to conduct a nuclear test. It's not that they will do that this month or next month. Technological preparations take time. But they want to tell the world that a political decision has been made and they will just do it." North Korea has a long history of triggering diplomatic crises to get itself heard. A nuclear test is certain to be seen as another attempt by North Korea to force the United States into direct negotiations, something it has long pushed for but which Washington has rejected until Pyongyang returns to the six-party talks. "North Korea thinks it has no other option but to press the United States to have bilateral negotiations with them. North Korea has nothing to lose by conducting a nuclear test," Chang Myung-soon, an expert on North Korea's military, said. "It wouldn't care if its people will starve due to toughened economic sanctions, and a military attack on North Korea will be really difficult considering opposition from South Korea, China and Russia," he said. INCREASING THREAT North Korea blamed the United States for the latest ratcheting up of tension on the Korean peninsula, which has been divided for more than 50 years after a war for which no formal peace treaty has ever been signed. It accused Washington of trying to topple its government with the financial crackdown. The United States said the measures are aimed at curbing illicit activity, such as counterfeiting. "The U.S. daily increasing threat of a nuclear war and its vicious sanctions and pressure have caused a grave situation on the Korean peninsula in which the supreme interests and security of our state are seriously infringed upon and the Korean nation stands at the crossroads of life and death," the North Korean statement said. Renmin University's Shi said: "They are also using this as a means to scare the United States and its allies to ease the sanctions and pressures imposed on it. Their primary concern is the financial sanctions." John Swensen-Wright, associate professor at the Chatham House think tank in London, said the announcement appeared to be timed for the upcoming congressional elections in the United States. "The mid-term elections are only five or six weeks away. I don't think it's any coincidence that the North Korean leadership has chosen this time to put maximum pressure on Washington," he said. link
Thankfully our incredibly competent and humble secretary of defense, Donald "War is Fun" Rumsfeld is very concerned. About Venezuela. North Korea has no oil.
I think it depends on how they crumble. If it is just Kim Jong Il that goes it might be a problem. Right now the military is very powerful. The generals enjoy a lot of power, and if the Great Leader Jr. dies they won't want to just give that up. If there is a huge clean sweep at the top of govt. and the military it is possible that a lot of good will come from it. But of course then you have a nation of under-educated, mal-nourished people trying to make a nation prosperous and self sufficient. It is all hypothetical at this point, and I hope it would be positive.
There is a great article reviewing the complexities of the North Korean situation in the October issue of Atlantic magazine. Unfortunately you have to subscribe to read it on-line. One thing it says is that Kim Il has only a tenuous hold over local generals, in essence, warlords and can only afford to feed and train his most elite troops that he uses to keep his million man army in line. North Korea's only export is blackmail. The article says the internal dissolution of North Korea is just a matter of time but the result will chaos. They think unification with the South would be an economic disaster. The flood of starving refugees could throw their economy in dssaray and do the same with the part of China just north of the Yaloo. Another point I didn't know is that the most north easterly part of North Korea is also claimed by China. It is of strategic importance as a port by which they could import oil. Basically ther article says North Korea will have to be dealt with by the Chinese, there is very little the US or South Korea can do there. It's great read if you can get to it.
Hey, look at me, I have nukes! Why won't GWB pay any attention to me, I'm so lonely? Come on guys, over here in Asia, find Seoul, go north. Man what a tough crowd, did I mention I actually have nukes, not just blueprints and wishful dreams? I wonder how I can move my nation over oil or next to Israel so the USA will pay attention to me? "Dear Leader" Kim Jong-il