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Is Michael Vick Setting a Bad Precedent for the NFL?

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by Lil Pun, Dec 8, 2010.

  1. Lil Pun

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    He's leading the NFL in Pro Bowl voting, over names like Manning and Brady. He's in MVP talks with those same players. The media and fans seem to be rooting for him.

    Then you read articles like this:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/commentary/news/story?id=5876114

    I am so disheartened and disappointed by your collective, lopsided praise of Michael Vick due to his recent spectacular on-field performance.

    Michael Vick served his time for a federal dogfighting charge, but some still question the logic behind his reinstatement to the NFL.
    Jemele Hill stated on ESPN's "The Sports Reporters" that if Josh Hamilton could win one of baseball's MVP awards after recovering from alcohol and drug abuse, why couldn't Vick win the award in the NFL? Well, for one thing, Hamilton has neither tortured dozens of dogs nor murdered defenseless animals.

    I do not know what is in Michael Vick's head or heart. But in a recent ESPN interview, and elsewhere, he stated that while he was committing these heinous acts of cruelty, it never occurred to him that he was doing anything wrong.

    What a chilling, telling statement.

    In Vick's case, I believe his second chance should certainly allow him to be free and to love and raise his family. I think he should make speeches about the error of his ways and help animal groups. I understand that he is doing some of these things and I applaud that. He's also admitted to being haunted by his dogfighting days. That growth is welcome and necessary, but comes too late for me and those dogs.

    I support his right to earn a living. But, while I can't fault him for taking great advantage of the opportunities afforded him by playing in the NFL, I feel he does not deserve that lofty a place in our society and culture. However repentant he may be, he committed acts whose vileness will resonate down the years. When you do what Vick did, a second chance should never include the rare gift of an NFL career and the potential bounty it offers.

    Shame on the NFL for not banning him permanently.

    How can we justify this saga to our children?

    The fighting is bad enough. But when the dogs aren't up to their standards of violence, they'll beat the dogs against walls until they're dead, hang, electrocute or drown them.

    And if the schedule is too busy for torture that day, they'll just shoot them dead as the poor dogs gaze desperately into their eyes for just one moment of love or kindness. But love is one thing those dogs are forever and viciously denied.

    In addition to forcing the dogs to fight, Vick and his cohorts bred the dogs. A butcher is often called in to rip out the teeth and nails of these innocent canines, making it easier to chain them to what is known in fighting circles as a rape stand to be forcibly mated -- cultivating only fear, rage and hate in these blameless creatures. All of that to create more fighting dogs whose lives will just repeat a cycle of unspeakable suffering.

    Well kids, although doing those things is wrong, two years after you admit to doing them the NFL will let you have a job that may lead to an MVP award and many millions of dollars in a new contract.

    Parents are already dealing with a society seemingly gone mad. We have many troubled kids in our country. Some of them act out by hurting animals, themselves and others in various ways. How do we square our interest in saving children when they can clearly see this kind of evil behavior, for some, is only a big bump on the road to fame, fortune and glory?

    Truly frightening.

    I am a giant sports fan. However, the cynic in me thinks maybe if Vick were a third-string lineman, the NFL would have set an example and banned him for life. Maybe many of the other significant charges Vick was facing wouldn't have gone away if he didn't have the prestige of being an NFL quarterback who can afford high-priced lawyers to wrangle pleas and deals.

    For the NFL to be that forgiving of evil, vicious behavior is a terribly inappropriate act of forgiveness and has brought a sick, sad, dirty feeling to many of us fans who have loved the game for so long.

    And to you reporters, whom I enjoy and respect, the sentiments in this letter are suspiciously absent in your hundreds of hours of Vick coverage.

    Recently, on another edition of "The Sports Reporters," Mike Lupica said that this Vick issue spoke to the shallowness of the pro sports world.

    Wow! Three seconds versus hundreds of "Vick's so great!" hours. Way to go! Just because the NFL lost its spine and common sense on this matter doesn't mean you reporters have to get in line and go along.
     
  2. DonnyMost

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    And that's about where I took a crap and wiped it on my computer monitor.
     
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    First of all, the pro bowl doesn't mean anything. The author is just using that to get on his soapbox.

    Sensationalism at its finest. How about telling your children that what Vick did was wrong, and he went to jail for it. Boom, end of article. It's not like he just got a slap on the wrist.
     
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    Michael Vick is the best QB in the NFC, by a large margin. Why shouldn't he be leading while guys Brady/Manning/Rivers are all splitting votes as the best in the AFC? I dislike what Vick did as much as anyone. I was calling for his ban from the NFL.

    The positive lesson is that even if you make mistakes, you will be forgiven if you learn from them. This is his second chance, and he is making the most of it.
     
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    You can argue Vick sets both good and bad precedents. I'm still not convinced he will keep his head on straight after reaching the mountain top again. IMO, it's too early to draw conclusions because the Michael Vick story is still being written with a lot of book left to go.

    I hope he doesn't crash again but some people thrive in adversity and can't handle prosperity.
     
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    pun, what's up with your obsession with Vick? A little much.
     
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    This probably ignores reality, though. You and I both know doing the above makes sense, and to those in strong family households is probably done and then those parents are further telling their kids their own views, be them stronger (he shouldn't be playing) or weaker (is there a weaker...??)

    But to the thousands of kinds from broken homes, to the inner city kids, to the kids whose parents just don't have the time or desire to explain these types of situations, or use these situations to teach their youngsters, etc, etc, it's a different story.

    I'm not saying I know what the answer is. But I do find the Vick knob-slobbing to be somewhat sad. I don't support it, or him, and would feel better if he wasn't in the NFL (and would feel better if other players with similarly heinous criminal records were also treated this way). But i understand that's just my view, and others feel differently.

    In either case, much of this debate has happened already. no need to rehash it all. coming up again because of what vick has done. regardless of my view, i recognize he is in the league again, and while not kissing his ass like most others, certainly appreciate what he's done as an NFL player this year.
     
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    The moral of the story to kids is that nobody should make any mistakes in their lives and if you do, you don't deserve a second chance.

    /s
     
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    How so? Sure I have posted a lot about him but he has been a huge story this year. This is the first thread I have started about him. I am an Eagles fan too so there is that. How exactly is it a little much? :confused:
     
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    No, he's not. Next topic.
     
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    We murder defenseless animals every day and then eat them.
     
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    Kobe raped a woman and he was forgiven for dropping 81 points.

    I think Vick should be forgiven for his past crimes.
     
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    We do that to live, not for fun.
     
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    All those dogs would probably have died anyway.
     
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    Ray Lewis was an accessory to murder, with all sorts of shady dealings on the trial of his friends. He got a second chance, and really made a better life. He has not only had a great football career, but he also has become one of the real good guys in the game.

    Michael Vick's crime wasn't as bad, and he paid his time. Vick deserves at least the same second chance as Ray Lewis got.
     
  18. SirCharlesFan

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    You don't have to eat meat.
     
  19. DonnyMost

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    But you do have to eat to live.

    Please tell me you're not going to go all vegetarian morality police to try and make a point.
     
  20. T-mac&Yao=RING

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    Not saying every one does this but I know some people that do it for fun.
     

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