A co-worker and I were discussing the Texans this morning and we are both basketball guys primarily. He knows I'm a Texans homer and he told me Matt Schaub just isn't a winner and started reminding me of just how much of a winner Hakeem was in his day. How I felt when watching Hakeem and knowing he was going to make the play. He said he just doesn't get that from Matt Schaub. That made me wonder if Matt Schaub is our David Robinson. The really talented guy that you think you can build a team around, but he just isn't a winner. I'm a firm believer that David Robinson doesn't win a championship without Tim Duncan. He was certainly a talented player having won a MVP (truly Hakeem's MVP), but he just wasn't a winner and couldn't put his team over the top alone. I'd like to think there is more to resolving the Texans issues, but I'm just curious what others thought on this comparison.
much too early to draw any conclusions about schaub, especially with zero playoff games on the resume. he undoubtedly gagged on the third down throw at the goal line yesterday. as for the INT... frankly, i couldn't understand why the texans were playing the sidelines there. plenty of time left and AZ's corners, DRC specifically, are really quick, known gamblers - why call such a risky pass?
Amazing....Hakeem wasn't a "Winner" until he got the right team around him. Hakeem was in the league 9-10 years before he won a Championship. Schaub wasn't the problem yesterday, the Middle of the offensive line was. They drafted a bigger center, use him.
I don't know that Manning or Unitas or Elway could win much more given our inadequacies in other positions. Schaub has good receivers which helps..but at every other position the Texans have glaring deficiencies.
I don't mind the play call if it was a straight out-route. I think Schaub could hit that. I do have a problem with him coming back to that route (late) and trying to complete it across the field. He just doesn't have the gun to make that throw, especially with a corner that can jump the route and take it to the house.
Apples to Oranges...Schaub is 3rd in the league in passing, 3rd in ypg and 2nd in TDs while playing with NO RUNNING GAME. He made two unexcusable mistakes but the guy busted his a$$ to get the team back in the game. QB is not the issue. If Schaub ends up winning 2 titles in a Texans uniform that would make me a happy camper...soft or not soft!
Schaub is kinda more like Warren Moon. They both are really good QB's but tend to make atleast one bad throw per game. Schaub just game late in the cards game. This team need a better secondary and more puch in the running game. Think about it, we lost 2 games on the goal line because the backer was hit in the backfield
Well if Schaub is our David Robinson then he needs to fake an injury so we can get a high draft pick to get our Tim Duncan...LOL
Matt Schaub is not on the same talent level as The Admiral was, winner or not Robinson individual talent level was higher than Schaub's. That said, everyone blaming this loss on Schaub is an idiot, no explanation needed, just an idiot.
I agree for the most part, Schaub played a very good game except for the two mistakes but those mistakes costed us the game. It's really hard to guage how good Schaub can be with no running game and an inconsistent OL. He can definitely put up good numbers but they don't mean much if you can't make the plays that count.
I am sorry but was taking a shot at the Spurs with that comment. I thought many would remember the Spurs tanking to get the Duncan pick, specifically the Mermaid..err I mean the Admiral was hurt. I do not want Schaub hurt in anyway. I did not mean to imply that Schaub was responsible solely for this loss but he can certainly take some heat for a few of the throws.
How did Schaub cause us to lose, contribute maybe, I'll give you that but we also two runs from less than a yard that were stoned at the line of scrimmage, how can you fault Schaub for thaT?
I guess "contribute" would have been the better word, but throwing a pick 6 on a game winning drive with 2 minutes left was THE play that won the game for the Cards and loss the game for us. Obviously getting stoned on the line of scrimmage was not Schaub's fault, but overthrowing a wide open TE in the endzone was.
I think it's nearly impossible to compare a basketball player to a football player. You can build a team around one player in basketball and win a championship (Dream, Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, etc). I don't see how you can do that in football. Schaub is one of the top quarterbacks in the game right now....the stats back that....but what he does on offense and specifically in the passing game can be nullified if the running game doesn't get going and if the defense can't put up stops. Both of those have been problems all season. I can take the interception..it was a very costly mistake, but mistakes do happen. The interception wouldn't have mattered if he hadn't gotten the team back into the game in the first place. And the shot in the endzone...yeah it was a bad throw...but I don't think it was a very high percentage play in the first place and Brown couldn't get 1 yard in 3 tries. Those were bigger issues imo. Schaub has shown he can put the team in a position to win...but like the Jacksonville game, other players do have to step up as well. And the other thing about that interception. It was 3rd and 8. I was bracing for the inevitably of having to punt, which would have given Warner plenty of time to launch a game winning drive and leave ZERO time on the clock. A conversion would have been ideal obviously, but I'd almost rather take the interception and return TD than to give Warner a chance to win it. That's how scared I am of our D. Lo and behold, Davis and Schaub put the team back into a position to tie the game up. But how do you not score from the 1 given 4 chances?!
Dream made to the NBA Finals ..aka the NBA's Super Bowl in his second year. Destroying the defending champions in the Western Conference Finals
The NFL is nowhere close to being as super-star, one-player-oriented, and SHALLOW as the NBA. Teams win championships in the NFL. Superstars win in the NBA... and teams go from worst to first with the addition of just one player. For instance, Reggie Bush was the "Michael Jordan" of college football... how'd that work in the NFL?
Ludicrous comparison. The Admiral won the MVP in '95, he has 2 rings, a gold medal, and he's a member of the Hall of Fame and one of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History. They play different sports, but Schaub's not fit to shine Robinson's shoes.
I hate people who try to talk about sports and use vague adjectives like someone being a "winner". Winner my aching ass. We do not lose games because of Schaub, we lose games in spite of Schaub.
