You all might be wondering how Kobe Bryant wll be without Shaq on his side, right? Well I came up with some statistic comparisons(I'm a statistic type of guy) and found that Kobe's Career #'s are impressive, for the six years he's had Shaquille on his side. And looking at previous Sg's such as Anfernee Hardaway. I've found Anfernee and Kobe's #'s to be quite close to one another. 3 seasonsincluding rookie year For Anfernee Hardaway93/94,94/95,& 95/96 seasons 19.5 ppg 4.7 rpg 7.0 apg 2 spg 37 mpg 31.4 3pt FG% 53.1 FG Efficiency % 76.2 FT% Attempted14.3 FG's a game and made7.1 FG'sa game Went to the FT line5.7 times/a game and made 4.3/a game Thats really quite impressive for Penny. But Kobe's are practically mirror images. Kobe Bryant Career #'s 96-02 19.8 ppg 4.6 rpg 3.8 apg 1.3 spg 32 mpg 31.4 3pt FG% 48.1 FG Efficiency % 82.7 FT% Attempted15.5 FG's a game and made7.1 FG'sa game Went to the FT line6.0 times/a game and made 4.9/a game There are 6 seasons for Anfernee' without Shaq (that for 5 of them were severly hampered) 6 seasons following Shaq's depature Played in 272 games out of a possible 492 46.3 FG efficiency % 30.5 3pt FG% 78.3 FT% 15.9 ppg 35 mpg 5 rpg 4.9 apg 1.7 spg My point here is regardless of Shaquille O'neals 27.6 ppg or his 57.7 FG% or his 12.3 rpg or his 2.3 apg or his 2.6 spg, in 10 season, Shooting Guards can come into games along side Shaq and get some point production. Penny wasn't as good as Kobe and that shows because La has won twice already, while the magic made the playoffs those three years while Shaq and Penny were together, lost the 1st year with a sweep, made the finals the next year(I'm assuming) and made it pretty far in 96. Good even for a 18-18 record in the playoffs. I can go on forever with Stats here, but Kobe isn't the greatest living person to play basketball as some say he can be or he already is, and I doubt he will beat MJ in that race. But as long as Shaq and Kobe are a duo, you'll see them in Finals for years to come. Which doesn't give my Memphis Grizzlies any kind of Hope. <i> I posted this a while ago but I just want to prove all the Kobe likers and people who think he's god, that he really isn't nothing special.............. yet.</i>
Are you nuts? Mr. Penny didn't average what Kobe had when Shaq sat out. Also take into consideration Flobe only played 15 minutes per in his first year, and 26 in his second. Penny played 36+ in all of his seasons with Shaq. Comparing Penny to Flobe is assanine.
Yes, Kobe is very good. Penny Hardaway was pretty much as highly regarded then as Kobe is now. Penny was the next big thing. So in stating how similar their stats are, you are only complimenting Kobe. Like NYKRule said, you also have to consider the number of minutes that Kobe got in his first couple seasons.
It never ceases to amaze me how people let flawed stats get to their head. You have to be on some really strong cocaine to think Penny is in the same class as Kobe.
What is a "flawed statistic"? A stat is a stat and it is what it is. A number can subject to misinterpretation but without some short of statistical bases, a discussion quickly becomes one opinion versus another. UNMKT4 never said he was. His exact words were: "My point here is regardless of Shaquille O'neals 27.6 ppg or his 57.7 FG% or his 12.3 rpg or his 2.3 apg or his 2.6 spg, in 10 season, Shooting Guards can come into games along side Shaq and get some point production." "Penny wasn't as good as Kobe..." His point re-worded is that defenses have to pay alot of attention to Shaq and consequently a SG has more open opportunities to excel. Since you appear to be such a Kobe lover, let me quote another "flawed" stat you won't like - Lakers record without Shaq but with Kobe = 56.1% > not exactly earth shaking.
I don't apreciate a 2 year member 3200 post man like yourself, assuming that I do drugs based on the facts that I merely look at Statistics as a way to judge players. Scouts do it. I do it. Where is there a problem? Maybe in my post, I should have made it clear that this post was based around <B>Shaquille O'neal's</b> prowness in the NBA. He makes the game around everybody a lot easier when he's out there with the same color of uniform on as yourself. If you look at today. Of course, Penny is not in the same class as Kobe. I was proving the power of Shaq's prescence and the affects it has on "superstar" players around him. They were and have been at the same level if you look at Career numbers. These numbers will be useless in 3 years, when KObe has surpassed the Career PPG average of Penny Hardaways.
IMO Penny in his 3rd season or his PRIME was just as good if not better than Kobe. Yeah Kobe has rings and is clutch, but Penny was a great player, and was just as athletic as Kobe if not more overall. If Penny did not have 8 knee surgeries I am sure he would have had a NBA ring or two by now with Shaq.....And maybe he is the one who carries JORDANS torch......
Penny & Grant were the next Jordan's for a couple years there until the injury bug settled the hype. Now Vince is dealing with the bug I wonder if he'll make it back to his fearless prime. I think Kobe is a little better than Penny in the magic days-lets see if KB can stay healthy- that seems to be the true test.
I believe the general replies you got the last time you posted those stats were how they were unfair since Shaq takes up a lot of the cap space and if the team was made around Kobe (with Shaq's money to be used on a decent center and power forward), Kobe's stats would be higher... Penny was pretty good, Nikos, but no one's going to give him or Larry Johnson any sympathy just because they had career changing injuries a few years after their cap busting extentions... Kobe has had to limit his offense and direct it to other parts of his game. If he shot as much as Iverson who knows how much he could score. Would he be another Stackhouse without Shaq? Who knows. Maybe in 3 years we'll find out if he's the real deal or another Quitten...
I think Kobe and T-mac are the best 2 guards in the NBA but I hate when they compare him to Jordan. He is not as good nor will he probably ever be good as Jordan. Jordan was 50 percent shooter his whole career even when every team was double teaming him. People made a big deal when Dream blocked MJ a couple of times because it was that seldom. Kobe gets blocked almost every game. Jordan could almost get to the rim anytime he wanted before his first retirement. Kobe has to settle for his turnaround all the time because he doesn't have the handles to get to rim without getting stripped. Jordan is 39 years old with bad knees and he still is almost as good as Kobe. I'm not a Jordan worshipper by any means but you have to give respect to the only guard to win a championship without a good big man.
You couldn't be any more wrong. If scouts used stats to determine how good players are, then ANYONE could be a scout. Anyone who knows how to count to 30 at least. Kobe needs Shaq to win, I give you that. But, Kobe is still the 2nd best player in the NBA, after Shaq.
Kobe shoots more than shaq right now, take a look at how many shots a game he has averaged in the playoffs, its a lot more than shaq. I think he took over 30 shots in the sac game, but he still got his 30. .. . . . . .
Yeah...this season and playoffs hasn't been his best year. His averages weren't as explosive as last year's. I don't know why, but I still believe he has the potential. Hmmm... I think that it's because the West is deeper and can adjust better to his style by countering it with more athleticism while everyone on the Lakers are defering it to Shaq (or throwing up threes) because there's no real counter to his size if you take refs out of the equation. But hey, this team's built on Shaq and rightfully so. But it's hard to make a comparison when Kobe is still 23 years old. As for now, any second option will have to feed off Shaq. If it complements their games why not? And there's plenty of time when Shaq retires for Kobe to get his own team.
I don't think Kobe goes out there trying to "get his 30." And of course he shoots more than Shaq, all Shaq does is get dunks, layups, and baby hooks. Those are high percentage shots, so he doesn't need to shoot as much. He probably would, but he gets too tired and he's too hurt right now. And if you think Kobe relies only on his turn around J because he doesn't have the handles to go inside, probably only watches Kobe on highlights on ESPN. Kobe's the total package, which means he most definately can take it to the hole. It seems this year he has been going in for layups more than any other weapon he has, including the turn around J. Kobe probably won't be better than Jordan, but he will be the closest. He is younger and already has half as many rings as Jordan(Duh, they're winning again this year). So he will have more titles than Jordan when it its all said and done. But he won't be considered better than Jordan unless he wins at least 10. But Russel has more titles than Jordan and he isn't considered better than Jordan.
Wilt had two and you could go on and on on who was more dominating in his era, Wilt or Jordan. I think people want Kobe to lead the league in scoring for 8+ seasons and get on the All-Defensive first team for 9 years in the row before he even gets compared to Jordan.
I don't think it's a lack of handles so much as he doesn't have quite the strength and explosiveness of Jordan. Also, when he drives into the paint, there's usually a couple of defenders there because they were worrying about Shaq.
